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03-19-2009, 09:12 AM
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Boston - Atlanta Draft

Lets say Atlanta has the 3rd overall pick.

Boston:
3rd

Atlanta:
Kessel if a sign and trade type deal can be figured out
+ a pick. mid roundish maybe

Boston might have trouble re-signing everyone and Atlanta seems like they are starting to improve. I think Kessel would be a perfect fit in Andersons system and it would save another couple years to develop a prospect.

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03-19-2009, 09:17 AM
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A big no from the Bruins.

Why would Boston trade their most talented goalscorer?
Bad idea.

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03-19-2009, 09:25 AM
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Lets say Atlanta has the 3rd overall pick.

Boston:
3rd

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Kessel if a sign and trade type deal can be figured out
+ a pick. mid roundish maybe

Boston might have trouble re-signing everyone and Atlanta seems like they are starting to improve. I think Kessel would be a perfect fit in Andersons system and it would save another couple years to develop a prospect.

What does that accomplish for Boston. Matt Duchene may be as good as Kessel in time (or not), but why take a step back? Cap reasons?

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03-19-2009, 09:41 AM
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Trade a developed 5th overall pick who's 20 years old, for an undeveloped 3rd overall who may or may not make an impact in the NHL...

That doesn't make much sense now does it.

I'd look to move Savard at the draft myself for a nice package.

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03-19-2009, 09:46 AM
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Ya, sorry man but pretty brutal...

Kessel is good... AND still young.. Why would the Bruins trade him? That's like you guys trading Little for a late first...

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03-19-2009, 11:22 AM
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Don't think the cap will be a big problem for Boston when it comes to resigning: Kessel, Krejci, and Thomas. Cap will likely limit any significant additions after that but the big names they want to resign, will be resigned.

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03-19-2009, 11:34 AM
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[QUOTE=Beesfan;18604694] What does that accomplish for Boston. Matt Duchene may be as good as Kessel in time (or not), but why take a step back? Cap reasons? [QUOTE]


I'll agree with you, Trade doesn't make any sense for Boston other than maybe Cap reasons.....

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03-19-2009, 11:48 AM
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While Atlanta would like Kessel, we say no as well.

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Besides a cap issue in Boston, this trade doesn't really make sense for either team. Sure, Kessel would be nice to see, and would thrive in a John Anderson system, but the first rounder could be a guy who can step in immediately.

Not sure sacrificing the first rounder is worth receiving an established player like Kessel.

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03-19-2009, 12:28 PM
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While Atlanta would like Kessel, we say no as well.
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Besides a cap issue in Boston, this trade doesn't really make sense for either team. Sure, Kessel would be nice to see, and would thrive in a John Anderson system, but the first rounder could be a guy who can step in immediately.

Not sure sacrificing the first rounder is worth receiving an established player like Kessel.
Only on HFBoards is an unknown prospect worth more or "can step in immediately" then a 21 year old former #5 overall pick that was on pace for 50 goals before getting mono and should hit 40.

Un-freaking-believable

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03-19-2009, 12:34 PM
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Bummer I thought Atlanta was trading Colin Stuart and his 483K cap number to the B's.

Seriously, 21 year olds with blazing speed and 40+ goal potential don't exactly grow on trees.

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03-19-2009, 12:41 PM
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Un-freaking-believable
Only on HFBoards would someone suggest a team dangle a player with such great potential in an attempt to score a maybe in the draft.

Un-freaking-believable indeed.

Like I said, this deal doesn't make sense for either team unless Boston is moving Kessel for cap reasons.

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You cant rate picks this high

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I think obviously, the only way this happens is if boston decides that they have to let someone go, and decide kessel is that guy (i dont think he is).

As for the deal, i think it would be 3rd overall + a prospect or a 2nd round pick for kessel. Teams have to pay to get another team to take the gamble (eg vermette-leclaire trade).

I dont understand why boston would single out kessel as the guy to deal unless it's because he's getting the best return. Kessel looks to be a major piece of the bruins for years to come. Lucic and Krejci look safe too. If i'm boston, the choice is between savard, bergeron, ryder, and sturm to trade. Sturm has an NTC (bruins make the playoffs this year) and savard is rumored to have an NTC, but no-one can find proof. I'm not sure how moveable ryder is with a 4M cap hit in '10-11 with the cap going down and a ceiling as a 30g-25a-55pt guy. If he's on fire in the playoffs, he might build value, but at the moment i'm not sure he'd garner a great return compared to what he's worth to the bruins. That leaves patrice bergeron. Bergeron has the injury history, but also has shown the ablility to be a top-line player (70pts in 77 games 2 years ago). He's still young, and though his contract is 750K a year more expensive than ryder's on the same term, i think he would be more moveable and garner a great return. If savard doesnt have an NTC, he could be the guy on the move, and would be easier to trade because he is not under contract for '10-'11.

would atlanta trade the 3rd overall pick for bergeron? Duchesne could be ready for top line minutes when savard's contract is up, meaning boston doesnt lose their great center depth. Boston could also go after a guy like cowen to help their d-line.

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I think Thomas (1.1 million) signs elsewhere after the season. It seems very unlikely that Manny Fernandez will be back next year and his departure would free up 4.33 million. Axelsson (1.85) and Yelle (750K) might not be back and hopefully can be replaced from within by Sobotka as a PK specialist and maybe Marchand.

I figure Rask will be on the roster next season and cost 3.2 million, the B's resign Krejci and Kessel, and sign a veteran goalie to split time with Rask.

Hnidy probably won't be back and Montador is essentially having a "tryout" for the rest of the season and playoffs.

Hunwick and Bitz are both RFA and will probably get raises.

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03-19-2009, 01:40 PM
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why the hell would Boston trade Kessel before Krejci?

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lolwut. A 3rd for Kessel and like a 4th..... I think you need to re-read this you made a booboo

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lolwut. A 3rd for Kessel and like a 4th..... I think you need to re-read this you made a booboo
3rd overall pick, not 3rd round pick.

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3rd overall pick, not 3rd round pick.
He made a boo boo. I still can't grasp how people value pics some times. Yes the number 1 and 2 pics this year are valuable, but the third, not so much. If you were to say to a GM if you pick this player with the 3rd pick I guarantee he will be as good as Phil Kessel they would take that player every time. So why would you trade Phil Kessel to gamble for someone who may never be as good?

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03-19-2009, 07:22 PM
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No thanks.

I just don't like the idea of giving up Kessel.

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why the hell would Boston trade Kessel before Krejci?
because Krejci is better

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03-20-2009, 12:38 AM
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Besides a cap issue in Boston, this trade doesn't really make sense for either team. Sure, Kessel would be nice to see, and would thrive in a John Anderson system, but the first rounder could be a guy who can step in immediately.

Not sure sacrificing the first rounder is worth receiving an established player like Kessel.
So let me get this straight:

You don't want Phil Kessel, who you say would thrive in your coach's system, would be a great addition, and is an established player, for a guy who "could" step in immediately, but is not guaranteed to?

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Not only would Boston not do this, but Atlanta wouldn't do it for financial reasons.

Atlanta Spirit has expressed their intentions of being "fiscally prudent" going into this coming offseason, and Kessel is a RFA in prime position to receive a big raise. Although they also opened up the possibility of spending money if a really good opportunity presents itself, I don't think this qualifies. Despite Kessel's success in Boston and likelihood that he will continue that success in Atlanta, it's still a lateral risk.

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why the hell would Boston trade Kessel before Krejci?
Krejci is a more complete player but like you said I wouldn't trade Phil or David right now going forward.

Like Kaoz said I would be looking at trying to move Savard,Kovalchuk will be happy and they can both resign there after next year,Trashers wouldn't trade their pick for him but I'm sure something can be worked out

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I think Thomas (1.1 million) signs elsewhere after the season. It seems very unlikely that Manny Fernandez will be back next year and his departure would free up 4.33 million. Axelsson (1.85) and Yelle (750K) might not be back and hopefully can be replaced from within by Sobotka as a PK specialist and maybe Marchand.

I figure Rask will be on the roster next season and cost 3.2 million, the B's resign Krejci and Kessel, and sign a veteran goalie to split time with Rask.

Hnidy probably won't be back and Montador is essentially having a "tryout" for the rest of the season and playoffs.

Hunwick and Bitz are both RFA and will probably get raises.
This does sound like a good idea but the key thing to remember is to get that Vet. goalie to help out Rask. Dont make the same mistakes like the Habs did and throw Price in there without that vet to lean on and learn from. We are seeing now what can happen when thats the case. Price will still be great (just as i think Rask will to), but give him the time to learn. If Rask really starts to shine when he is 25-27, you should be very happy with the progress he has taken. I still wish the habs had signed that vet goalie (not denis), but what can you do

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