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I don't think Philly deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Detroit. And really, the Canucks can match any offer in the league for Luongo, so it won't be a money issue.
don't talk down about the Flyers when mentioning them AND Detroit in the same breath. Especially when you're a Toronto fan...please. I don't write the stats, it's just the way it is.
and it wont be a money issue? what if a team offers him 10mil for two years, you don't think that'll be a bit enticing?
don't talk down about the Flyers when mentioning them AND Detroit in the same breath. Especially when you're a Toronto fan...please. I don't write the stats, it's just the way it is.
and it wont be a money issue? what if a team offers him 10mil for two years, you don't think that'll be a bit enticing?
I think what he means is that the canucks can match any offer really for Luongo... they already have $6.75mill dedicated to him on payroll... not many teams that need a #1 goalie will have that kind of cash (and team budget) available to beat the canucks offer for Luongo.
but at the same time, if Luongo wants that kind of money, I say let him walk! we all know that in a cap league you aren't going to be icing a winning organization by overpaying players - and players all know this as well, given the recent comments we've heard from canuck players already. If Luongo wants that kind of money, as a canuck fan, I have no problem seeing him go to another team... I just hope that Gillis doesn't let him go for nothing and actually gets some trade value for him, if that's the case.
I think what he means is that the canucks can match any offer really for Luongo... they already have $6.75mill dedicated to him on payroll... not many teams that need a #1 goalie will have that kind of cash (and team budget) available to beat the canucks offer for Luongo.
but at the same time, if Luongo wants that kind of money, I say let him walk! we all know that in a cap league you aren't going to be icing a winning organization by overpaying players - and players all know this as well, given the recent comments we've heard from canuck players already. If Luongo wants that kind of money, as a canuck fan, I have no problem seeing him go to another team... I just hope that Gillis doesn't let him go for nothing and actually gets some trade value for him, if that's the case.
It's all about maximizing your assets. Luongo will have been a Canuck for.. 4 years? If they haven't gotten close.. why should Nonis open up the bank, again, for Luongo?
Many people believe Luongo is the best goaltender outside Broduer.. but Broduer captured three cups.. and Broduer captured how many Vezinas, etc.. etc.. and Luongo has nothing to show for "He's the best goalie outside Broduer" crap. Spare me the statistics.. I look for hardware.
Now, I'm not anti-Luongo. I think he's a phenomenal goalie.. but there's something to be said about opening the bank account, continuously, when the main player hasn't led you anywhere.
If Vancouver is one and done again this Spring, than it may be time to move on from Luongo the way they may move on from the Sedins. There will be a GM out there that will offer Luongo, who will yet to win anything, a ridiculous contract.. so let them deal with that.
I get to watch goaltender(s) like Henrik Lundqvist, Mark Andre Fluery on a routine basis being in the Atlantic Division.. and I would say either or both are just as good as Luongo. Especially Lundqvist, who can dominate a game the way very few goaltenders can.
I dont see any logical reason for Luongo wanting to leave Vancouver. He will be handsomely paid there, remain the team's leader and main focal point all the while living in one of the most beautiful cities in N.America?
I dont see any logical reason for Luongo wanting to leave Vancouver. He will be handsomely paid there, remain the team's leader and main focal point all the while living in one of the most beautiful cities in N.America?
And Mayhaps never win a cup if this year fizzles out.
not sure when The change from "Its cool for players to want to win" to "Omg they are getting paid why are they so selfish for wanting to win" happened but its asinine.
There is not much difference between 5 and 8 million if yer stuck losing every year.
And Mayhaps never win a cup if this year fizzles out.
not sure when The change from "Its cool for players to want to win" to "Omg they are getting paid why are they so selfish for wanting to win" happened but its asinine.
There is not much difference between 5 and 8 million if yer stuck losing every year.
Whose to say, they will never win? Hell they have a legitimate shot this year.
It's all about maximizing your assets. Luongo will have been a Canuck for.. 4 years? If they haven't gotten close.. why should Nonis open up the bank, again, for Luongo?
Many people believe Luongo is the best goaltender outside Broduer.. but Broduer captured three cups.. and Broduer captured how many Vezinas, etc.. etc.. and Luongo has nothing to show for "He's the best goalie outside Broduer" crap. Spare me the statistics.. I look for hardware.
Now, I'm not anti-Luongo. I think he's a phenomenal goalie.. but there's something to be said about opening the bank account, continuously, when the main player hasn't led you anywhere.
If Vancouver is one and done again this Spring, than it may be time to move on from Luongo the way they may move on from the Sedins. There will be a GM out there that will offer Luongo, who will yet to win anything, a ridiculous contract.. so let them deal with that.
I get to watch goaltender(s) like Henrik Lundqvist, Mark Andre Fluery on a routine basis being in the Atlantic Division.. and I would say either or both are just as good as Luongo. Especially Lundqvist, who can dominate a game the way very few goaltenders can.
Dave Nonis is the assistant GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs, his second job since being fired in Vancouver.
You get to see Lundqvist and Fleury, but how much do you get to see Luongo? Since you look for hardware, tell me, what hardware have Lundqvist and Fleury won?
Given you don't even know who Vancouver's GM is, I'd be willing to guess you don't follow Vancouver at all. You're talking out of your ass.
It's all about maximizing your assets. Luongo will have been a Canuck for.. 4 years? If they haven't gotten close.. why should Nonis open up the bank, again, for Luongo?.
I’m all for the Canucks maximizing their assets, but to let Luongo walk at the end of 2010-2011 season would be extremely poor asset management. After this season is over, the Canucks need to either resign him long term or convince him to waive his NTC.
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Many people believe Luongo is the best goaltender outside Broduer.. but Broduer captured three cups.. and Broduer captured how many Vezinas, etc.. etc.. and Luongo has nothing to show for "He's the best goalie outside Broduer" crap. Spare me the statistics.. I look for hardware. .
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Originally Posted by PatientlyWaiting
I get to watch goaltender(s) like Henrik Lundqvist, Mark Andre Fluery on a routine basis being in the Atlantic Division.. and I would say either or both are just as good as Luongo. Especially Lundqvist, who can dominate a game the way very few goaltenders can.
The “what does he have to show for it” criticism you are laying on Luongo could easily be applied to both Lundqvist and Fleury and both those goaltenders have sizable cap hits. I can’t see Luongo’s future cap hit, regardless of where he signs, being much higher than Lundqvist’s $6.875 million cap hit. Starting next year, even Fleury’s cap hit will be around $5 million and I wouldn’t put him in the same category as Lundqvist and Luongo. I don’t know if Luongo deserves to be the highest paid goaltender in the league, but at the very least, he deserves to be in or around Lundqvist’s pay grade.
Dave Nonis is the assistant GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs, his second job since being fired in Vancouver.
You get to see Lundqvist and Fleury, but how much do you get to see Luongo? Since you look for hardware, tell me, what hardware have Lundqvist and Fleury won?
Given you don't even know who Vancouver's GM is, I'd be willing to guess you don't follow Vancouver at all. You're talking out of your ass.
Considering Luongo was in the Eastern Conference for much of his career, and considering he WAS Islanders property, considering I have center ice, and considering I have been at many games the NYI played the Florida Panthers.. Luongo is not this world trend setter so many people on HFboards make him out to be.
BTW.. that Lundqvist has a gold medal at the biggest stage in his personal career to date.
So, how about you keep talking out of YOUR ass.
BTW, Fluery just went to the conference finals. How far did the masterful Luongo go?
I am so sick and tired of hearing about Luongo being one of the best in the NHL. He is ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEE of the best, far from THE BEST.
So keep spouting off your ******** my friend.
Oh, and my apologies about the GM. It was a quick mistake as I was than reading a Toronto thread on the Toronto board and was rushing off to class. Stop using your immaturity and someone using a valid argument against "The anointed One" as a way to refute the argument. I won't continue to discuss it with you considering your inability to attack the argument, not the poster.
I’m all for the Canucks maximizing their assets, but to let Luongo walk at the end of 2010-2011 season would be extremely poor asset management. After this season is over, the Canucks need to either resign him long term or convince him to waive his NTC.
The “what does he have to show for it” criticism you are laying on Luongo could easily be applied to both Lundqvist and Fleury and both those goaltenders have sizable cap hits. I can’t see Luongo’s future cap hit, regardless of where he signs, being much higher than Lundqvist’s $6.875 million cap hit. Starting next year, even Fleury’s cap hit will be around $5 million and I wouldn’t put him in the same category as Lundqvist and Luongo. I don’t know if Luongo deserves to be the highest paid goaltender in the league, but at the very least, he deserves to be in or around Lundqvist’s pay grade.
And I agree wholeheartedly. But, remember, different situations demand different salaries. Look at Broduer's salary compared to many around him. Talk about.. out of whack.
Luongo deserves to be paid handsomely, and he does. He's a legitimate, elite goaltender who has his share of miraculous runs throughout a season. My point, to date, is that Luongo needs to step up to the plate.. sooner rather than later.. and start *leading* the way, when it counts - the playoffs - and start earning some of the reputation he has.
To this date, it's mostly here say mixed in with statistics, and If I'm negotiating a new contract with Luongo.. I'm reinforcing the fact that his time in Vancouver had its share of ups and downs.. but still no Stanley Cup.
If he's off to get his 7 million, than I'd let him go. There are very few players that deserve elite salary.. and I've yet to see Luongo win anything in this league.
I like Luongo, I think he's a great goalie, I'm just trying to defend Vancouver's decision should they show him the door.
I am so sick and tired of hearing about Luongo being one of the best in the NHL. He is ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEE of the best, far from THE BEST.
So keep spouting off your ******** my friend.
so wait... you're sick and tired of hearing how Luongo is "one of the best" in the NHL... yet you just said that he's "ONEEEEEEEEEE of the best" ??
I don't think anyone is saying that he's the best goalie in the NHL... I think most would consider Brodeur to be there right now... but Luongo is certainly among the best goalies in the game.
and I don't know how that hurts having him on your team? sure at $10mill or a ridiculous amount like that, I'd want no part of him either... but you have to admit that he's worth the same as Lundqvist at this point, no? and Lundqvist is making more than Luongo is right now too (his cap hit is slightly greater overall)... and really at this point, there just isn't a comparison with Fleury... first of all he's a much younger goalie, and is further from his prime than Luongo, who's just entering his... but how can you compare a team that just went to the Eastern finals with Fleury, that has a couple of guys that carried them there in Malkin and Crosby, to what Luongo has had in front of him...
this is really his first year ever in his career where the team actually has some offense in front of him... the canucks last couple of years were pathetic offensively - a one line team with no one else that could contribute... the Florida teams were just as much inept overall - not just offensively, but their defense was young and not very good in front of him... hard to blame a goalie that can't take his team all the way when he's got little support in front of him.
now, I'm not saying that Luongo is the best goalie in the game... but he certainly is among the best overall... take top 5 for instance... and while there may be better goalies and even those that are comparable in some ways that may be ranked lower - teams just don't let such assets go in general and therefore replacing a player like that is much harder than it looks.
I should know too... as I've complained to no end since pretty much the start of following the canucks that the organization just hasn't been able to bring in talent in that position.... when I started following the canucks we had Hanlon in goal... he split time with other goalies - soon after Ceaser Mangiano finished his time in Vancouver... it was not until Richard Brodeur came on board did I first see what an impact goalie could do... then after his time, we had McLean come in... another impact goalie who was actually in the running for the Vezina... after him, many years of crap goaltending before we finally got Luongo.
between those years we canuck fans realized just how valuable that goaltending position really is... and I'm not prepared to go through that again because Luongo may not be the best goalie in the game... I want a guy who's one of the best - an impact goalie here... and there's no doubt that whatever you think of him, he certainly is an impact goalie.
I respect the honesty. He didn't give the stereotypical hockey player answer. He didn't say he wouldn't sign with the Canucks...just didn't make out to be all flowers and rainbows either. Ryan Smyth did the same thing and I liked it.
Pronger did the exact opposite and that was my biggest issue with him. You want to leave? Fine. It's none of my business why. Just don't go hide in Mexico, tell the team through the media and then come back and play the victim....I seriously am over it. This just reminded me of that summer.
Or golfing. He should have enough practice by now.
i think ill bookmark this thread. if luongo leaves well hear zomg hes gone. i cant believe so many canucks fans in this thread have just had a dont care attitude towards this.
i think ill bookmark this thread. if luongo leaves well hear zomg hes gone. i cant believe so many canucks fans in this thread have just had a dont care attitude towards this.
first of all you're quoting an Oilers fan there, not a canuck fan.
secondly, I don't think any canuck fan doesn't care if Luongo leaves... it's more a reason for why he left... if he leaves because he's chasing the biggest paycheck, I think all canuck fans will sympathize with the team... if he leaves because the team can't put a contender around him and he's basically forced to carry the team on his own, I think most fans will sympathize with Luongo.
right now we don't know anything really... I think however most canuck fans should be happy that management is doing the right things to try and build a winner here... and the team has done plenty to show Luongo already that a) he's a huge part of their team and b) they are trying to build a contender here right now around him... so with that said, if Luongo still isn't happy, as a canuck fan I have no problem moving on.
we'll have to wait and see what happens though... it's all speculation at this point, and outside the comments after a frustrating loss, there's no reason to think he's not happy with his role and the direction of the team overall.
