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03-24-2009, 09:10 AM
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Just another reason to FIRE MACTAVISH!!!!!
so what happens when you fire him and Hemsky continues to suck the heind tit??? and i love Hemsky.

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LOL! i like how everybody is blaming this on Mac T. can we just give it a ********** rest already! Hemmer needs to pull his socks up PERIOD. and the coach is going nowhere.
Sad but true. Lets see, calling out players in the press, at odds with three of his offensive (supposedly) forwards. Cant see this ending good. Maybe we can trade Hemsky for Reasoner?

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so what happens when you fire him and Hemsky continues to suck the heind tit??? and i love Hemsky.
Likely, a better coach will = a more successful team. Who is to say that Hemsky would suck under a different coach? This is all speculation on both our accounts.

But perhaps you're right, MacTavish should never be replaced because the team might not be any better under a new coach. Better to ride the mediocrity we know, than to chance mediocrity with someone new . I hope the sarcasm that is emanating from this last bit wakes you up to the illogical nature of your argument.

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Hes been listening to too many of the bandwagon fans from the 06 run.

He should ask around, stopping the other guys from scoring is usually pretty important in any game, along with scoring.

Seems to me he needs a Boys on the bus moment to put it all together.

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Oh great. Talk about horrible timing.

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Hes been listening to too many of the bandwagon fans from the 06 run.

He should ask around, stopping the other guys from scoring is usually pretty important in any game, along with scoring.

Seems to me he needs a Boys on the bus moment to put it all together.
What does this mean? I know what the "Boys on the Bus" reference is, but what is a Boys on the Bus moment? And, you need to get beyond the 80's... that team is long gone.

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Likely, a better coach will = a more successful team. Who is to say that Hemsky would suck under a different coach? This is all speculation on both our accounts.

But perhaps you're right, MacTavish should never be replaced because the team might not be any better under a new coach. Better to ride the mediocrity we know, than to chance mediocrity with someone new . I hope the sarcasm that is emanating from this last bit wakes you up to the illogical nature of your argument.
Can you please just ****? Do you need to pollute every thread with this crap? We got it - you want MacT fired. Go bleat somewhere else, unless you want to talk about the thread content.


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What does this mean? I know what the "Boys on the Bus" reference is, but what is a Boys on the Bus moment? And, you need to get beyond the 80's... that team is long gone.
And that team played the way Hemsky wants to.

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No you don't get it.

It actually says more about his character that he wants to be the guy, that he's upset that's he's not able to do more.

But hey, don't let reality cloud that inferiority complex you've got going on, it seems to work well for you.

Seriously, he's a player who's struggling at the most important part of the season, and you want him to what? Be happy with is situation?
Yah, but unfortuneately hes externalizing his poor play. Not exactly healthy, and not exactly fair.

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Likely, a better coach will = a more successful team. Who is to say that Hemsky would suck under a different coach? This is all speculation on both our accounts.

But perhaps you're right, MacTavish should never be replaced because the team might not be any better under a new coach. Better to ride the mediocrity we know, than to chance mediocrity with someone new . I hope the sarcasm that is emanating from this last bit wakes you up to the illogical nature of your argument.
i am in no way saying that i love Mac T and want him here forever..... im just saying something like this just makes everyone on here say FIRE MACT!!!! he is the reason the oilers suck and blah blah blah. i am sick of reading the same old crap! he likely will be gone next season when he steps down or gets promoted but it is just not gonna happen this year so if the oil want to win, these "professionals" can start playing like it and win.

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I agree. He's clearly saying he wants to be the leader, but to do so, he needs to be allowed to be a bit more creative which may include a few turnovers. I for one am all for his line of thinking. I think Horc can be the defensive conscience on that line, and let Hemmer be Hemer. It's not like he's been terrible defensively anyway.

Sounds to me like he's been asked to play with handcuffs on, and he's just saying, he can do more. Remebmer, english is not his native tongue either.
I was showing my friend last game every time Horcoff had to pull the defencive play for Hensky. It was constant.


Unfortuneately Horcoff can only be in one place at a time so it doesnt work all of the time.

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What does this mean? I know what the "Boys on the Bus" reference is, but what is a Boys on the Bus moment? And, you need to get beyond the 80's... that team is long gone.
no cause thats what a DYNASTY is.... something to remeber and celebrate. we just need to stop thinking that this team is that of the 80's

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If we'd only fire the coach, Hemsky could have all the minutes he wants to play one-way hockey, and this team would be better?

Sweeeet.

Hey Warren, I think I found your baseball.

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Hemsky needs to watch Datsyuk tonight to learn how to play. Guy became a true elite player when he figured out he had to work his ass off in both ends of the ice.
Datsyuk is surrounded by great talent, who does Hemsky have to work with. Datsyuk for the most doesn't need to elevate the play of his linemates as they're pretty good on their own, whereas Hemsky pretty much has to carry whomever he's playing with. For a large portion this season the offense started and ended with Hemsky.

Personally, I don't want Hemsky checking as we've got other guys on the team who are responsible for that and are better at it. Let him play his game and work to his strengths and build those up so that he can get to the next level. Not everybody needs to be a jack of all trades on the ice, that's why you've got a team so that everybody can bring a little skill from different areas.

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And that team played the way Hemsky wants to.
That team had the talent to do so. This year's buttery-soft defence needs all the back-checking help that it can get.

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Hemsky sounds like a sniveling baby in that quote.

And i friggin LOVE hemsky.
I think he's smart enough to know that this is how he'd come across - inside and outside the dressing room.

So the only rationale for coming out with this, and doing it now, is that he knows he is not the only one who's more than a little frustrated.

This is the first real cracking noise from behind the sliding doors.

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And that team played the way Hemsky wants to.
Except that team was far better at it than Hemsky was.

You can live with a bad turnover here or there when you are putting the puck in the net.

When you turn it over in bad areas several times a game and you aren't scoring, that's when you have a big problem.

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That team had the talent to do so.
No disagreement from me.

I've always said MacTavish coaches "not to lose" hockey which is fine until you run into other teams that are as good defensively AND can score.

While MacT is likely doing the best he can with what he's got, it's the personnel that are the problem.

One 20 goal scorer on a team near the cap is almost funny.

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The other shoe in this piece is MacTavish's reaction - will he Schremp him, Penner him or just Nilsson him? Course, this is MacTavish so he could even Reddox him.

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Datsyuk is surrounded by great talent, who does Hemsky have to work with. Datsyuk for the most doesn't need to elevate the play of his linemates as they're pretty good on their own, whereas Hemsky pretty much has to carry whomever he's playing with. For a large portion this season the offense started and ended with Hemsky.

Personally, I don't want Hemsky checking as we've got other guys on the team who are responsible for that and are better at it. Let him play his game and work to his strengths and build those up so that he can get to the next level. Not everybody needs to be a jack of all trades on the ice, that's why you've got a team so that everybody can bring a little skill from different areas.
It doesn't need to be an either or situation. You can play offensive hockey and be defensively responsible. The idea behind it is that the sooner you get the puck back, the sooner you can go play offense.

And you don't need to be elite... all Hemsky has to do is cover his pointman and make sure he gets the puck out of the zone. The odd time he's going to have to make a defensive read if he's the first forward back (that doesn't happen very often).

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Jesus, MacTavish needs to get got this insant.
Yes one dimensional players who are struggling usually have the perfect recipe for team success.

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I'm actually excited to read this because it's probably gonna mean we see an improved Hemsky down the stretch. It's too bad that he had to say it publicly, but MacT's use of the media to call out his players has obviously opened the door for the players to do the same when needed.

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No disagreement from me.

I've always said MacTavish coaches "not to lose" hockey which is fine until you run into other teams that are as good defensively AND can score.

While MacT is likely doing the best he can with what he's got, it's the personnel that are the problem.

One 20 goal scorer on a team near the cap is almost funny.
Nail on the head.

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I can't say I agree with Hemsky's comments as there are very few offensive players in today's game that aren't expected to be defensively responsible. I also don't think he's playing as poorly as some people here think as he's still getting some great chances pretty much every game but has just been a bit snakebitten as far as finishing them - not to mention a few great plays he's made that his teammates couldn't convert.

I would think the anti-MacT contingent should love this type of article though. I think someone asked who would win in a Hemsky-MacT standoff - the answer is Hemsky and it's not even close. Hemsky is the main piece of the puzzle if this team wants to go anywhere in the next 5 years or so. He's not going anywhere.

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I'm actually excited to read this because it's probably gonna mean we see an improved Hemsky down the stretch. It's too bad that he had to say it publicly, but MacT's use of the media to call out his players has obviously opened the door for the players to do the same when needed.
My thinking as well.

I'd wager you'll see a different Hemsky tonight. Unfortunately, it will be against the Red Wings so, if they frustrate him early, the pout may be back on.

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