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03-24-2009, 09:41 AM
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And that team played the way Hemsky wants to.
Actually, when the playoffs rolled around and games became important, Gretz would often go so far on the back check that he would actually know if it was Fuhr or Moog in net. When he was really into it, he would even try to hit someone. They turned the corner towards being champs when they learned how to play at both ends, with the pivotal game being the 1-0 win against the Islanders in their first SCF win.

I saw Hemsky sliding to block a puck against Minny, right after Gagner did the same thing. Is Hemsky seeing his star power being diminished by the emerging Gagner, a kid who has bought into the MacT defensively responsible game?

I said a couple of weeks ago that Hemsky looked like he had to be either hurt or pouting, because his play didn't look nearly as passionate as normal. Either way this team has to find a way to get his head straightened out. Without him, they are screwed.

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03-24-2009, 09:44 AM
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I think he's smart enough to know that this is how he'd come across - inside and outside the dressing room.

So the only rationale for coming out with this, and doing it now, is that he knows he is not the only one who's more than a little frustrated.

This is the first real cracking noise from behind the sliding doors.
Hardly. Granted it's the first we've heard in a while, but there were plenty of cracks being heard earlier this season. They were hastily sewn up by a few team only sessions. This could be a sign of the the thread beginning to tear again. Let's hope not, because the timing couldn't be much worse.

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"I'm just trying to do exactly what they want. I'm becoming a checker,"
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I was showing my friend last game every time Horcoff had to pull the defencive play for Hensky. It was constant.


Unfortuneately Horcoff can only be in one place at a time so it doesnt work all of the time.
Nah ... its probably more likely that Hemsky is just sick and tired of playing with a center that can't make a decent rush up the ice , take a pass , get a shot away on time and on the net , or show any offensive creativity/anticipation whatsoever . He's thinking that Penner played badly and got to escape from fumble fingers and wondering if the same strategy could work twice .

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03-24-2009, 09:50 AM
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I think Hemskys tired of playing a trapping pattern when ahead by a goal.

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I think Hemskys tired of playing a trapping pattern when ahead by a goal.
so why doesnt he put a puck in the net and make it 2 0?

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Nah ... its probably more likely that Hemsky is just sick and tired of playing with a center that can't make a decent rush up the ice , take a pass , get a shot away on time and on the net , or show any offensive creativity/anticipation whatsoever . He's thinking that Penner played badly and got to escape from fumble fingers and wondering if the same strategy could work twice .
Yah, thats the conventional wisdown around here allright.

Personally, I'd think it would be Horcoff who should be thinking more along those lines.

I just think that Hemsky saw Kotilk have some success with Gagner and hes the green eyed monster.

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Actually, when the playoffs rolled around and games became important, Gretz would often go so far on the back check that he would actually know if it was Fuhr or Moog in net. When he was really into it, he would even try to hit someone. They turned the corner towards being champs when they learned how to play at both ends, with the pivotal game being the 1-0 win against the Islanders in their first SCF win.

I saw Hemsky sliding to block a puck against Minny, right after Gagner did the same thing. Is Hemsky seeing his star power being diminished by the emerging Gagner, a kid who has bought into the MacT defensively responsible game?

I said a couple of weeks ago that Hemsky looked like he had to be either hurt or pouting, because his play didn't look nearly as passionate as normal. Either way this team has to find a way to get his head straightened out. Without him, they are screwed.
Yep, the defensive play was certainly the clincher in that series:

1-0
6-1
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Hardly. Granted it's the first we've heard in a while, but there were plenty of cracks being heard earlier this season. They were hastily sewn up by a few team only sessions. This could be a sign of the the thread beginning to tear again. Let's hope not, because the timing couldn't be much worse.
Fair comment but weren't they pouty/snippy responses to a mid-season benching?

This is different in that it's A) Hemsky, B) somewhat out of the blue, C) badly timed, and D) likely to be a collective cry of frustration rather than a lone one.

I don't agree with what he's done but I can't help wondering if he's sending a calculated team message rather than an individual one.

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Ah so apparently MacT is the problem. Here I thought it was Hemsky making bad decision after bad decision with the puck, holding onto it when he should be passing and trying to thread the needle when it isn't there.

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so why doesnt he put a puck in the net and make it 2 0?
Because he's being told to clog the neutral zone instead of press the attack?

It'd be nice to see the shot totals in periods following an intermission where we lead.

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I wonder if Hemsky ever noticed the play of Stanley Cup Winners like Elias or Yzerman?

Frankly what a whiner. (Tempted to say a lot more)

Hemsky pretty much admitting he hasn't been playing as well as he could and through discontent.

But will play better, (like they want me to) as soon as he gets his own way.

I've noted the Hemsky attitude for quite a long time. Difficult guy to manage.

What selfish and terrible timing.

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this clearly started teh other day in teh So against St Louis when he wanst chosen..u could see the disgust on his face

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I wonder if Hemsky ever noticed the play of Stanley Cup Winners like Elias or Yzerman?

Frankly what a whiner. (Tempted to say a lot more)

Hemsky pretty much admitting he hasn't been playing as well as he could and through discontent.

But will play better, (like they want me to) as soon as he gets his own way.

I've noted the Hemsky attitude for quite a long time. Difficult guy to manage.

What selfish and terrible timing.


The Oilers organization is full of historical examples of players with "attitude problems" going on to find stability and success with other NHL franchises. Jason Arnott had an attitude problem. He's now one of the most respected professionals in the game.

You win with players. And if your players are continually unhappy and unproductive, you have to find a way of reversing that.

I'm glad he was pissed off when he wasn't picked for the shootout. I'd be concerned if he wasn't.

But this goes beyond the last few games. Hemsky has been given absolutely no help and he's been quiet as a mouse about it until now. He has the league's worst first line centre to play with, and absolutely no consistency on the left wing. Frankly, I'm surprised he's lasted this long.

He's right. He's done everything the organization has asked of him. And they've done little for him.

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03-24-2009, 10:12 AM
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Hemsky needs to stop pouting and play hockey. I am a big fan of his (my newest Oiler jersey has his name on it), however, he has been playing awfully the past stretch of games. I watched his body language after the Oilers' shootout wins, very telling. He wasn't really celebrating or seemingly interested in what was going on. I can't stand that type of attitude. We won the shootout, which is the bottom line. He is probably, rightfully, the 3rd or 4th best shooter on our team (between Gagner and him). With Gagner playing so well, I understand Mac T choosing Sully, Kotalik, and Gagner. The end result is two wins and isn't that what really matters?

I think there are some real issues with Mac T and he must go. However, this quote is all on Hemsky. His backcheck has been non-existent, he has turned pucks over at his own bluline or the oppositions blueline, he hasn't closed off the shooting lane from his point man very well. In short, he has been brutal without the puck for about 10 games now, IMO our worst forward outside of the fourth line on that side of the puck.

I'll tell you how to be appreciated more Hemsky - dedicate yourself to all aspects of the game so the coach can use you on the PK and in other critical situations without worry, and get those minutes up to 24 per game.

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I'm a huge Hemmer fan but man.. these comments really suck at an important time like this.

If you watch the Shootout in Chicago.. after Kotalik scored the winner, they showed a camera shot of the Oiler bench and I noticed that every Oiler on the bench celebrated and raised their hands.. except Hemsky.

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Because he's being told to clog the neutral zone instead of press the attack?
Except he's often the one forechecker who is going into the zone.

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It'd be nice to see the shot totals in periods following an intermission where we lead.
How about just look at our record and find out how good it is.

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There's no doubt in my mind that this is related to shootout decisions and the decision to work the PP through Gagner more. Shame on Hemsky.

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I'm not surprised because I noticed the same attitude last season when Gagner started getting 1st unit PP time and Hemsky refused to pass him the puck for the first couple games.

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You guys got nasty on Hemsky in a hurry.

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He has the league's worst first line centre to play with
Nada.

Unless you count Antione Vermette, Rick Nash was basically stuck with Manny Malhotra for most of the season.

Saku Koivu has some pretty God-awful numbers this year.

Even so, it's still pretty pathetic that I can only find out a few worse than Horcoff.

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If this does not get addressed (MacT fired) then he will ask to be traded. Guaranteed. Who wouldn't? He sees Horcoff, a natural 2nd or 3rd liner, getting 7 million per year and praised by the Oilers. He's underpayed compared to his peers and MacT is a player killer. There's no coincidence that players come here and suck, then leave and go back to being as good as they used to be.

Don't even get me started on Schremp. The guy comes up, is arguably our top offensive guy for the games he was up (2) and then MacT rips him and sends him to the minors. WTF kind of message is that when you play Gagner, whos been a POS all year?

Do the Oilers think that players don't talk to each other and that they have not made their own bed here? MacT is an idiot. We don't attract players because of it and he's now lost the room, as I've been saying for 2 years. Hemmer saying this is a nice way of him saying "Things better change fast or I'm requesting a trade." Simple as that.

Will Lowe and Tambi get the message. I bet Tambi wanted to fire MacT long ago. It's Lowe that is the problem in this matter. How many times has Lowe gone down to talk to MacT before games like Tambi has this year? Tambi is clearly frustrated and obviously restricted in what he can do.

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The Oilers organization is full of historical examples of players with "attitude problems" going on to find stability and success with other NHL franchises. Jason Arnott had an attitude problem. He's now one of the most respected professionals in the game.

You win with players. And if your players are continually unhappy and unproductive, you have to find a way of reversing that.

I'm glad he was pissed off when he wasn't picked for the shootout. I'd be concerned if he wasn't.

But this goes beyond the last few games. Hemsky has been given absolutely no help and he's been quiet as a mouse about it until now. He has the league's worst first line centre to play with, and absolutely no consistency on the left wing. Frankly, I'm surprised he's lasted this long.

He's right. He's done everything the organization has asked of him. And they've done little for him.
And you don't think he's just as guilty as anyone for the results he's gotten?

I don't care who he's playing with, when he turns the puck over in his end or at the other teams blueline that makes him responsible. He needs to take a page out of the books of the elite players... if the play isn't there, make a smart decision. Dump the puck in or reverse it back through the neutral zone.

He's caused himself so much grief by making ridiculous decisions with the puck over the past few weeks. If the excuse is "he's got horrible linemates"... well that's not going to change because we don't have anyone else to play with him, so he might as well start making better decisions when he has the puck.

Sometimes not taking a chance and keeping puck possession is better than forcing a play and having to go play defence.

Sometimes dumping it in and having the other team start off with the puck behind their net is better than getting caught going the wrong way on a turnover.

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03-24-2009, 10:24 AM
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No. Jason Arnott was rushed too fast and had a crappy team around him and crappy coaches too.

He won the Stanley cup after he left and scored the game winning goal. He done nothing but flourish since he left.

Guess what? Good players sometimes are cocky. That's part of sports. It doesn't mean they are bad players or team mates. Arnott got dealt a bum hand here IMHO. I'm glad he proved everyone wrong and is excelling after he left.

BTW, the good guys of Niinama, Hamrlik, Weight, Guerin, Marchant, Grier etc all left this organization too.....

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