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03-24-2009, 10:25 AM
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If this does not get addressed (MacT fired) then he will ask to be traded. Guaranteed. Who wouldn't? He sees Horcoff, a natural 2nd or 3rd liner, getting 7 million per year and praised by the Oilers. He's underpayed compared to his peers and MacT is a player killer. There's no coincidence that players come here and suck, then leave and go back to being as good as they used to be.
This is pretty close to bang on.

But, as evidence by how quickly this board has turned on Hemsky, MacT won't be forced to wear this. It will be laid at Hemsky's feet for being a "whiner."

Part of me hopes he does ask for a trade. Hemsky's been a good Oiler. He's absorbed a lot of punishment when the Oilers refused to get tough on players who would run him. He's endured having to play with the worst "first line" players in the game since Smytty left. And he's done it without raising a stink. He's been a class act.

But there's only so much a guy can take. If he does get traded, I hope it's to a team that will get him the help he deserves, and who will appreciate him for what he is, a world-class talent and top-notch professional.

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03-24-2009, 10:30 AM
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As far as I know Horcoff is getting paid 3.6 Million a year?

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This is pretty close to bang on.

But, as evidence by how quickly this board has turned on Hemsky, MacT won't be forced to wear this. It will be laid at Hemsky's feet for being a "whiner."

Part of me hopes he does ask for a trade. Hemsky's been a good Oiler. He's absorbed a lot of punishment when the Oilers refused to get tough on players who would run him. He's endured having to play with the worst "first line" players in the game since Smytty left. And he's done it without raising a stink. He's been a class act.

But there's only so much a guy can take. If he does get traded, I hope it's to a team that will get him the help he deserves, and who will appreciate him for what he is, a world-class talent and top-notch professional.
Seriously. This is the first time he's spoken up in his entire career.

And of course, he's getting ripped for it.

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The reason we're not riding you Hemsky is b/c you've been playin poorly the last little while, while the 2nd line has been on fire. Bottom line at this time of year is WINNING - and we have been.. so suck it up and be a team player.

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I'm guessing Hemsky might know what Horcoff is being paid next season.
And Hemsky should also know the difference between UFA and RFA.

Hemsky still being the latter.

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As far as I know Horcoff is getting paid 3.6 Million a year?
I'm guessing Hemsky might know what Horcoff is being paid next season.

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If this does not get addressed (MacT fired) then he will ask to be traded. Guaranteed. Who wouldn't?
Someone who showed responsibility for their own play.

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He sees Horcoff, a natural 2nd or 3rd liner, getting 7 million per year and praised by the Oilers.
Horcoff doesn't make $7mil/year.

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He's underpayed compared to his peers
He sure wasn't when he signed his deal and got paid big money as an RFA. Would he have been happier getting $2 mil 1 year deals until he was a UFA?

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and MacT is a player killer. There's no coincidence that players come here and suck, then leave and go back to being as good as they used to be.
The long list of what, 2 players?

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Don't even get me started on Schremp. The guy comes up, is arguably our top offensive guy for the games he was up (2) and then MacT rips him and sends him to the minors. WTF kind of message is that when you play Gagner, whos been a POS all year?
Don't get you started on Schremp, because then you'll start making things up.

1. Schremp was up for 4 games.

2. MacT didn't rip Schremp when he sent him down. He ripped on him several weeks later when he was continually asked when Schremp would be called back up (this despite the fact that Schremp was playing like a dogs ass in the AHL).

3. Gagner hasn't been a POS all year. If you had any sort of ability to watch the game you could see the huge improvements he's made to his game. His offense wasn't clicking (it wasn't the year before either at that point in the season), but he drastically reduced his goals against.

4. The only arguement you can make about Schremp being our best offensive player is if you are trying to exaggerate a point.

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Do the Oilers think that players don't talk to each other and that they have not made their own bed here? MacT is an idiot. We don't attract players because of it and he's now lost the room, as I've been saying for 2 years.
That's a lot of inside knowledge there? Is it based on anything tangible, or is it typical made up BS?

Has there ever been a good NHL player who has specifically said he'd never play for MacT? If not, it's pretty stupid to say he's the reason that this team doesn't attract players.

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Hemmer saying this is a nice way of him saying "Things better change fast or I'm requesting a trade." Simple as that.
Way to put words in his mouth... maybe he's just frustrated because things have not gone well for him over the past few weeks?

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Will Lowe and Tambi get the message. I bet Tambi wanted to fire MacT long ago. It's Lowe that is the problem in this matter. How many times has Lowe gone down to talk to MacT before games like Tambi has this year? Tambi is clearly frustrated and obviously restricted in what he can do.
Probably lots of times. Ken Holland and Babcock (as well as the rest of management and coaches) talk alot just before games... it's about hockey minds discusssing things. Not sure what the issue is with that.

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03-24-2009, 10:32 AM
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I wonder how much of this goes back to being left out of the shootout last week when we lined up 19-21-89
Exactly, my son is 14 and the biggest Hemsky fan alive we both noticed in the shootout against the Hawks that Hemmer looked upset that he wasn't one of the three. After Kotalik scored he was one of the last guys off the bench, I think the line of Pattyo Horc and Hemmer really looked good Mact is willing to give them sometime, Hemmer should do to, That line will take over the offence and lead the way. Hemmers quote about wanting to be the guy and he wants the team to rely on him that sound like the shootout to me. As some posters have said he is still getting the TOI and PP time, but if he really feels that way Mact looses this fight no way Hemmer goes before Mact.

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Seriously. This is the first time he's spoken up in his entire career.

And of course, he's getting ripped for it.
There is a big difference between coming out and saying "Hey We need to play better, Me,Horc and Patty O need to put points up the board". Then coming out and saying "Hey guys I can't take the puck and go around the net for the upteenth time and turn it over and that makes me sad"

But Hey I guess I see things differently. I mean its not like were fighting for the playoffs or anything. Might as well rip the team,coach and organization because its not like its a critical time of the year or anything

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03-24-2009, 10:33 AM
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This is pretty close to bang on.

But, as evidence by how quickly this board has turned on Hemsky, MacT won't be forced to wear this. It will be laid at Hemsky's feet for being a "whiner."

Part of me hopes he does ask for a trade. Hemsky's been a good Oiler. He's absorbed a lot of punishment when the Oilers refused to get tough on players who would run him. He's endured having to play with the worst "first line" players in the game since Smytty left. And he's done it without raising a stink. He's been a class act.

But there's only so much a guy can take. If he does get traded, I hope it's to a team that will get him the help he deserves, and who will appreciate him for what he is, a world-class talent and top-notch professional.
Agreed.
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Seriously. This is the first time he's spoken up in his entire career.

And of course, he's getting ripped for it.
Yes, this seems to be the unfortunate trend where mediocrity is happy and praised and excellence is not appreciated and quieted down.

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Yep, the defensive play was certainly the clincher in that series:

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5-2

Did you look at those scores before you posted them? Thanks for proving my point, DSF.

Even with the game 2 blowout loss (where it looked like the Oilers were happy with a split on Long Island), their GAA for the series was 2.4. If you subtract that loss, in their 4 wins their GAA was 1.5.

Compare that to the rest of the year where in 38 games Moog posted a 3.77 GAA, and Fuhr's was 3.91 in 45. If you think it was only the offense winning those games, check this; the Oilers scored approx. 5.6 goals a game in the regular season, but only 21 goals against the Islanders in 5 games, for a 4.2 goals per game.

Sure the offense drove the dynasty Oilers, but they weren't one way wonders.

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Agreed.

Yes, this seems to be the unfortunate trend where mediocrity is happy and praised and excellence is not appreciated and quieted down.
Hemsky's play lately has demonstrated excellence?

Funny, I seem to recall games this season where Hemsky has owned the game and received tonnes of praise because of it.

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Newsflash the 80s were a long time ago quit living in the past. That time was great for Oiler fans but that type of Hockey is long gone.

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Did you look at those scores before you posted them? Thanks for proving my point, DSF.

Even with the game 2 blowout loss (where it looked like the Oilers were happy with a split on Long Island), their GAA for the series was 2.4. If you subtract that loss, in their 4 wins their GAA was 1.5.

Compare that to the rest of the year where in 38 games Moog posted a 3.77 GAA, and Fuhr's was 3.91 in 45. If you think it only the offense winning those games, check this; the Oilers scored approx. 5.6 goals a game in the regular season, but only 21 goals against the Islanders in 5 games, for a 4.2 goals per game.

Sure the offense drove the dynasty Oilers, but they weren't one way wonders.
Not disagreeing that they tightened up in the playoffs but you know as well as I do that they won by overpowering teams with their offense. They were hardly playing the trap.

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If this does not get addressed (MacT fired) then he will ask to be traded. Guaranteed.
Because a new coach will give Hemsky the top line minutes and plum PP time he needs to...er, wait. What?

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Who wouldn't? He sees Horcoff, a natural 2nd or 3rd liner, getting 7 million per year and praised by the Oilers. He's underpayed compared to his peers and MacT is a player killer.
Hemsky's contract was market value when he signed. If can't recognize the changes in the market place since then, well, he's not very bright. I hope he's smarter than you give him credit for.

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There's no coincidence that players come here and suck, then leave and go back to being as good as they used to be.
Yeah a list containing such luminaries as..um, who, again?
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Personally, I think this is, as per usual, getting overblown by a fanbase that has more emotional ups and downs than a manic depressive on the Coney Island Cyclone. Hemsky's undoubtedly frustrated by his lack of production and is looking for answers.

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i cant believe Hemsky would get ripped for this... he's calling a spade a spade. Schremp has gotten the shi**y end of the stick because of this imo, and eberle is next. I think hemmer has finally had enough of macT and this will be the nail in the coffin, weigh out your options.... 9 years of crap coaching or a opressed budding superstar ...... hemsky has made it clear in a round about way that he is tired of the defense first attitude... and just wants to put up points.

hemsky, schremp and penner most of all deserve a shot under a different regime ......

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Wonder if this has anything to do with him not being in the top 3 for the shootout

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"I'm just trying to do exactly what they want. I'm becoming a checker," he said with obvious displeasure after Monday's practice. "We're just doing what we have to do to win games. I'm not complaining. It's important to win the games. I just don't feel as important as I did before when they were riding me. I don't feel they use me as much as they did before. If they don't give me the confidence or trust me, I will never be playing the way I was before, the way they want.

"I'm just saying I don't care about points. I know I didn't play my best hockey. I can be better and I know they will need me. But they have got to show me they need me. Ride me. It's 10 games. I will feel important and I will get better every game."
He's never been the most media saavy player in the room, but this comes off as whining and thats the LAST thing a player wants to be sounding like.

Mind you...its maybe hard NOT to SOUND like a whiner, if your a whiner?

Hemsky is full of **** when he says he's playing defence.

He's been piss poor for quite a while now.

At both ends of the rink.

All told...lets see what happens tonight because 83 is pretty much embracing his rock bottom...maybe now he's finally ready to get it going the right direction?

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hemsky, schremp and penner most of all deserve a shot under a different regime ......
As Meatloaf said, two out of three ain't bad.

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I look forward to Hemsky playing well down the stretch and most of you acting like you've always supported the guy. I'll be laughing on the inside.

One quote about being frustrated and he's labeled a whiner; seriously guys?

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If this does not get addressed (MacT fired) then he will ask to be traded. Guaranteed. Who wouldn't? He sees Horcoff, a natural 2nd or 3rd liner, getting 7 million per year and praised by the Oilers. He's underpayed compared to his peers and MacT is a player killer. There's no coincidence that players come here and suck, then leave and go back to being as good as they used to be.

Don't even get me started on Schremp. The guy comes up, is arguably our top offensive guy for the games he was up (2) and then MacT rips him and sends him to the minors. WTF kind of message is that when you play Gagner, whos been a POS all year?

Do the Oilers think that players don't talk to each other and that they have not made their own bed here? MacT is an idiot. We don't attract players because of it and he's now lost the room, as I've been saying for 2 years. Hemmer saying this is a nice way of him saying "Things better change fast or I'm requesting a trade." Simple as that.

Will Lowe and Tambi get the message. I bet Tambi wanted to fire MacT long ago. It's Lowe that is the problem in this matter. How many times has Lowe gone down to talk to MacT before games like Tambi has this year? Tambi is clearly frustrated and obviously restricted in what he can do.
Yah, thats rational, talk about firing the coach with ten games left in the season and everything to play for.

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Someone who showed responsibility for their own play.

Like who? Gagner, Nilsson and Cogliano? Please.


Horcoff doesn't make $7mil/year.
He does next year.....



He sure wasn't when he signed his deal and got paid big money as an RFA. Would he have been happier getting $2 mil 1 year deals until he was a UFA?

Things change and you know it. Sorry not biting.



The long list of what, 2 players?

Again, you're baiting me. Every player that has left here under his reign has gone on to be successful in their natural role and skillset and shockingly some have done better. Agree to disagree.



Don't get you started on Schremp, because then you'll start making things up.

1. Schremp was up for 4 games.

2. MacT didn't rip Schremp when he sent him down. He ripped on him several weeks later when he was continually asked when Schremp would be called back up (this despite the fact that Schremp was playing like a dogs ass in the AHL).

I was going to put this in order because I didn't think some poster with too much time on their hands would care... Yes it was after he got sent down. So how do you explain the Golden Boy Sam Gagner saying "He's the best player I've played with for a linemate." statement after their pre-season tour? Gagner has not exactly been great and is just as bad at the things Mac rips on Schremp for. What's the difference. Enlighten me.

3. Gagner hasn't been a POS all year. If you had any sort of ability to watch the game you could see the huge improvements he's made to his game. His offense wasn't clicking (it wasn't the year before either at that point in the season), but he drastically reduced his goals against.

Oh right. He's been good the last 6 or seven games. Great. He's been crap all year and don't try to show you're the big poster with all the knowledge because you've been here longer. Post count is not a sign of intellect.

4. The only arguement you can make about Schremp being our best offensive player is if you are trying to exaggerate a point.

I'll give you this. Not best, but easily second or third best with limited ice time. The kid's destroyed now anyways. It's almost moot to bring him up as some poster like yourself would just shoot him down anyway.



That's a lot of inside knowledge there? Is it based on anything tangible, or is it typical made up BS?

No. I know players here and former NHLers as well. Shocking I know. One would think that a poster with over 17k posts would be the first guy an NHLer would want to be buddies with....

Has there ever been a good NHL player who has specifically said he'd never play for MacT? If not, it's pretty stupid to say he's the reason that this team doesn't attract players.

Wade Reddon, Chris Pronger, Spacek, Peca, Samsonov....there you go. These are soft balls for you. Right over the plate. Like I said; I know active players and retired ones. They all say the same thing. Believe it or don't believe it. I don't care.



Way to put words in his mouth... maybe he's just frustrated because things have not gone well for him over the past few weeks?

Sorry, EDIT here. As a guy who's played the game at a high level, and just as a fan who pays attention...it's obvious that this is the next step.


Probably lots of times. Ken Holland and Babcock (as well as the rest of management and coaches) talk alot just before games... it's about hockey minds discusssing things. Not sure what the issue is with that.
Could be. It's pretty clear IMHO that Tambi is on a leash and would like to do more. He seems very frustrated during the games. I can't help but think there is a mandate there placed on him by Lowe. To think otherwise would be naive IMO.


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One quote about being frustrated and he's labeled a whiner; seriously guys?
The other extreme interpretation is that he wants MacT fired. the truth is somewhere in between.

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I know Hemmer has some okay games, however the bigger message here is clear. He is our best player (talent wise), and IMO he doesnt think that every player on the team play like Craig Mactavish did. It seems to be the measuring stick. Do you think Wayne Gretzky in his prime would evovle under MacT's system? Not even close. I always say you get the best out of someone when you can allow their talents to shine. Not "you must be exactly like I was to succeed".
Let him play his style and let players play there roles Mind you against some teams he has to alter his style, they all do. When you play tight teams, loose teams, bad goalies..... etc...

Our biggest issue on ice so far this year is not enough shots. We get outshot 85% of the time, from not allowing our guys to shoot, all this wait for the best shot is BS.
Let em go and let em shoot. (see Patrick O'sullivan)

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