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03-24-2009, 12:42 PM
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If Barnes put that in quotes, which he did, it's exactly what Ales said and trying to spin that into an ESL issue is a bit much.

Barnes only interpretation was the "obvious displeasure" observation and one would think a reporter with Barnes' chops wouldn't make that up just for effect.

Don't think his is a case where we should be shooting the messenger.
I'm not shooting the messenger. I'm not blaming the interpretation.

I'm not even convinced that it's an ESL issue, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if it was. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that's happened, in fact I deal with it daily.

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03-24-2009, 12:43 PM
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"I'm not complaining" tell me how this was misinterpreted.

Funny how every one wants to interpret it the way they want. When some one says there not compalaining, they are probably not complaining.

Also if I had a dollar for every time a reported tried to twist a story by saying some thing like "with abvious displeasure" I would bet 100$ if you watch the interview you don't see don't the the abvious displeasure.
When someone says they're not complaining right after they've been complaining perhaps needs a little attention.

Can you give me an example where Barnes has twisted a story?

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03-24-2009, 12:45 PM
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Cheers.

It is funny, right there in the statment he says "I'm not complaining" and every one thinks he is doing just that, and hates Mac T, wants a trade and the whole bit.

To me he is just making a comment to the whole situation, that his play needs to get better and the team needs to show confidence in him. Agian, he is getting his words mixed up, but him saying "ride me" is Ales for basically saying, I have played like ****, but give me a chance, I will show up. AGian, it isn't so much blaming any one, as him just stating what needs to happen to get back to where he needs to be.

I don't think he is so much calling out Mac T as calling out himself and I bet he plays a great game tonight.
I would interested to hear how the question was worded to him as well, some interview questions can be long and involved.... especially for someone who isn't fluent in English.

" Ales, one question. Noticed that you blocked a few shots in Minnesota and that you've been held off of the score sheet for a while. How much of this can be attributed to the rise in scoring from the second line or has it been due to shift in attitudes to what your responsibilities are from the coach and/or management."

Obviously it could really have been anything that was said to him but i think that it is a lot easier to believe that his comments are getting taken out of context rather than him slagging the team and the coach.

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03-24-2009, 12:46 PM
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I disagree. With great plays come bad turnovers. What would you rather have: Hemsky never dangling and therfore never pulling off highlight reel plays, or Hemsky dangling as much as he can and giving up the odd turnover?

I don't know about you but I prefer to see exciting hockey from an elite talent and am willing to overlook some of the turnovers to see what magic he can do.

Oh puleeze. Pull out the "I've got the puck a lot, so I'm allowed to give it away way more than anyone else" card. That's getting old.
How about dangling when it's there, and not forcing everything. In other words, playing a little smarter game.

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When someone says they're not complaining right after they've been complaining perhaps needs a little attention.

Can you give me an example where Barnes has twisted a story?

Careful now, he reads this board.
You said this at LT's but I think you were right in terms of Barnes trying to soften things. I wonder if Hemsky walks it back like Horcoff did with his comments after Smyth was traded. I've never been more excited for the pre-game audio at a site that I can't mention because I compete with it.

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I suspect that Hemsky is frustrated at his lack of performance, and is putting too much pressure on himself to succeed.

For once, you can't say that he doesn't have linemates, because MacT put O'Sullivan on his line, who's got some real offensive talent.

Could Hemsky's frustration stem from the moving of buddy Kotalik off his line to Gagner's?

I personally don't have a problem with MacT trying to turn Hemsky into a stronger two way player like Datsyuk or Zetterberg.

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For all of you who think this is a language barrier issue, Hemsky has a good grasp of speaking english. I know this because I've had the pleasure of having dinner with him during a season ticket holder function.

He knew exactly what he was saying.

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Hemmer is one of my favorite Oilers but he really needs to keep his thoughts to himself at this point of the season (or atleast discuss things behind closed doors). He sounds like a complete whiner in the quote. So he has to be a checker and play defense? Big deal. We need everyone to play a solid two way game to get into the playoffs. Horrible timing with 10 games left to say something like that. He's on the 1st line and 1st unit PP. He's had a lot of chances lately to get some offense and has been below average the last 10 games or so. I love Hemmer and hope he is here long term but seriously that is horrible for the team to basically say put me first and the team second by using me more.

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Actions speak louder than words (here's a hint: none of them wanted to play here)
None of them wanted to play for Detroit either.

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I don't think Ales is one of them.
Based on the first part of his quote, I would say he is.

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For all of you who think this is a language barrier issue, Hemsky has a good grasp of speaking english. I know this because I've had the pleasure of having dinner with him during a season ticket holder function.

He knew exactly what he was saying.
is he a nice guy?

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Oh you don't need to grab a quote I'm well aware of our aspirations and think it's a really good idea in principle.

Unfortunately the way things have gone from my perspective if our goal this season was to become a puck possession team a la Detroit then I'd say we've been a serious failure.

So again I'm left turning to the questions I previously raised, along with why is this suddenly an issue for Hemsky when he should have been used to playing in a two-way mold since pre-season.
It's not quite there (obviously) but i think its coming along. Our dmen (grebs and gibby especially) don't spaz as much with the puck and i think that is where it starts.

I think that it'll just take some more time for everyone to get used to. I think that the offensive talent is there......... i should say the 'potential' for the offensive talent is there.

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If you go to the oilers website, and listen to mac t's pre game.... hes very careful in his words when he talks about hemskys comments...

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You said this at LT's but I think you were right in terms of Barnes trying to soften things. I wonder if Hemsky walks it back like Horcoff did with his comments after Smyth was traded. I've never been more excited for the pre-game audio at a site that I can't mention because I compete with it.
A game against the Wings, ten games left in the season and Hemsky turning up the glare.

MacT's comments today should be classic stuff.

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03-24-2009, 12:56 PM
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I like how everyone throughout this thread has been comparing this situation to Detroit and maybe two posters have even given pause that it might not be such a great comparison. Perhaps a little more apples to oranges than the apples to apples you're trying to make it?
Because they are farther ahead doesn't mean they aren't what you should strive to be.

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Reading Babcock's quote here if you assume he's got it figured out, then the most pertinent questions are A) Is this how MacT is really coaching?
If you look at his line matchups and what he demands from his players, the answer is an obvious yes.

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B) Can MacT even coach that type of system properly?
I guess we'll see. It took Detroit several seasons to develop Datsyuk and Zetterberg, but they had the benefit of some pretty good players in front of them to help it along at more reasonable pace (guys like Yzerman and Fedorov).

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And C) Do we really have the players that would work in that system?
If you don't, then are the players even good enough to get upset over if they are "ruined"?

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My take is that if you've openly given a player like Hemsky "free reign" for 7 years and then suddenly during a slump you start cutting back his icetime and ask him to play a different game then no wonder he's feeling discombobulated.
Except they haven't done that. At no point was Hemmer ever given free reign. In his first 2 seasons he was in and out of the lineup. It wasn't until his production soared that he got more freedom and more leeway.

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03-24-2009, 12:57 PM
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Give me a break, first off, I am thinking the whole interview he showed displeasure, I mean he has played like crap, classic interview, the media is here to ask about your slump, so put your head down and make some cliches about how you need to get better. He was probably laughing 10 secs later.

Also, classic adage by a reporter. again If I had a dollor for every time they tried to put some kind of spin on it.

I am not really defending Mac T that much, I think in a sense he did call out Mac t, but just to play him more and thus help him break out of his slump, thats it. Hemmer is a odd guy, he likes the whip. thats all he is saying.
So, you are accusing Barnes of "putting a spin" on this story then? Or is this just guilt by association?

As always, you believe what you want to and ignore the obvious.

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It's not quite there (obviously) but i think its coming along. Our dmen (grebs and gibby especially) don't spaz as much with the puck and i think that is where it starts.

I think that it'll just take some more time for everyone to get used to. I think that the offensive talent is there......... i should say the 'potential' for the offensive talent is there.
Ok so assuming we have the talent in place to get the job done in the near future, do we have the right coaching staff?

I mean I really think there's something to be said for the timing of this little fiasco. Look at the Zetterberg quote that shines through with pride about being a part of Babcock's system in stark contrast with what Hemsky just said.

If you're trying to play a certain system, you'd really have to think that getting your franchise player on board with that philosophy would be a must.

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is he a nice guy?
He was great and had a really good sense of humor.

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Oh you don't need to grab a quote I'm well aware of our aspirations and think it's a really good idea in principle.

Unfortunately the way things have gone from my perspective if our goal this season was to become a puck possession team a la Detroit then I'd say we've been a serious failure.

So again I'm left turning to the questions I previously raised, along with why is this suddenly an issue for Hemsky when he should have been used to playing in a two-way mold since pre-season.
If the goal was to become Detroit this year, we've been a failure.

If the goal was to start, we've had ups and downs but there has been some excellent progress in terms of the overhaul they've done.

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Hemsky has not been playing well over the past few games and that's mainly due to him making bad decisions with the puck. From watching him over his entire career, I've noticed that Hemsky could still improve on his game but I just haven't seen him reach that peak yet. He has the skillset and creativity to be a consistent force in this league but lacks some intensity and hockey sense that sets him apart from a player like Datsyuk.

To me, I'm one of those who feel that a coach can get the most out of a player by telling him things in which he has to improve on. MacT is doing a decent job in trying to make Hemsky into a more defensive player but that same cannot be said about untapping this guys full offensive potential.

MacT is a good example of a coach who just doesn't have any idea of coaching talented players

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Connect the dots people. Hemsky was carrying the team earlier on in the year. He wasnt whinig then about MacT turning him into a checker. He's now in the tank, not contributing for awhile offensivly & the Oilers are performing reasonably well, & quite well offensivly (but not him). He's then not in the shootouts.
I mean,it doesnt take a genius to figure out hes pissed & blaming his lack of production on others. Its likely doubly frustrating for him that the teams scoring even though hes in the tank.
Really, hes the last guy that should be complaining about been turned into a checker.

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The Wings are 19th in GA. The Oilers are 21st. They lead the league in goals scored whereas we are 16th. They also have five forwards who have scored more goals than our leading forward. To compare the Wings to the Oilers and say their forwards are way more defensively responsible than ours is crap. Way more prolific at putting the puck in the net would be accurate. But you Mact bobbleheads go ahead with your agenda. Dont let facts get in the way.
You are confusing poor defensive play and poor goaltending.

If Chris Osgood at least reached the goaltender Mendoza line (.900 sv%), the Wings give up 18 goals less.

That moves them from 19th to 10th

If he's NHL average (.909), that's 26 goals less.

That moves them from 19th to 6th.

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If the goal was to become Detroit this year, we've been a failure.

If the goal was to start, we've had ups and downs but there has been some excellent progress in terms of the overhaul they've done.
What overhaul was done to the management/coaching team? Let's see...

They brought in Tambellini to take the heat off of Lowe (the guy is just a puppet). They cut Daum loose and offered him a scouting position (the same ass't coach who was responsible for the run the team went on at the end of last season). At least they hired him to coach in Springfield (to save face). They brought in Buchberger as an ass't coach; there's a great addition to the OBC! Now there's word that the whole Springfield affiliation has been a bust and the Falcon's owner is understandably upset that the Oilers **** the bed with how they handled the team.

So... where's this overhaul?

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Some people here see this as a reason why Hemsky's leadership skills are in doubt. I see leadership as telling the truth when the truth desperately needs to be told. Not the meaningless, repeated platitudes that come out of Ethan Moreau's mouth.

The most talented player wants the coach to lean on him and stop trying to turn him into a checker.

Is that whining, or just echoing the feelings of the Oilointernetosphere™?

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What overhaul was done to the management/coaching team? Let's see...

They brought in Tambellini to take the heat off of Lowe (the guy is just a puppet). They cut Daum loose and offered him a scouting position (the same ass't coach who was responsible for the run the team went on at the end of last season). At least they hired him to coach in Springfield. They brought in Buchberger as an ass't coach; there's a great addition to the OBC. Now there's word that the whole Springfield affiliation has been a bust and the Falcon's owner is understandably upset that the Oilers **** the bed with how they handled the team.

So... where's this overhaul?
What on earth made you think I was talking about Management and coaching?

I'm talking about the change in their on-ice philosophy and how they execute it. It's not perfect, it's got a long ways to go, but there has been a noticable change compared to past seasons.

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