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03-24-2009, 01:09 PM
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What overhaul was done to the management/coaching team? Let's see...

They brought in Tambellini to take the heat off of Lowe (the guy is just a puppet). They cut Daum loose and offered him a scouting position (the same ass't coach who was responsible for the run the team went on at the end of last season). At least they hired him to coach in Springfield. They brought in Buchberger as an ass't coach; there's a great addition to the OBC. Now there's word that the whole Springfield affiliation has been a bust and the Falcon's owner is understandably upset that the Oilers **** the bed with how they handled the team.

So... where's this overhaul?
QFT. Bravo.

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03-24-2009, 01:10 PM
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I didn't like the tone of the article at times. To suggest at all that Hemsky isn't a team player when he's refreshingly being open and honest just seems like bad writing to me. It seems it's actually true that MacT tries to shove round pegs into square holes, and I've tried to take the MacT bashing with a grain of salt. But mismanaging your greatest asset is no small potatoes. Roughly speaking, there's two types of offensive forwards, the Ovechkin types that try to use smart burst of energy and the energy types like Iginla that play a more consistent balls-out style all the time. Hemsky and Ovechkin are both tempo setters when they are on their game. Hemsky falls more into the former category and, for that reason shouldn't be pushed to emulate a Zetterberg or Datsyuk. The Oilers have good enough goaltending and play enough of a defensively responsible system to let those rare players like Hemsky take risks for the sake of the team.

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03-24-2009, 01:11 PM
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You are confusing poor defensive play and poor goaltending.

If Chris Osgood at least reached the goaltender Mendoza line (.900 sv%), the Wings give up 18 goals less.

That moves them from 19th to 10th

If he's NHL average (.909), that's 26 goals less.

That moves them from 19th to 6th.
You are ignoring the obvious. The Wings lead the league in scoring. Whereas we are below average. That is the difference in the two teams right there. Conklin btw has a very respectable average.

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03-24-2009, 01:12 PM
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I think Hemmer is the only one that could say something to the press that could get MacT fired during the summer.

Good for him.
Amen. I know that he probably has felt slighted not being in the SO a few games back. I had a feeling that his struggles were more mental or emotional than physical.

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03-24-2009, 01:12 PM
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If you go to the oilers website, and listen to mac t's pre game.... hes very careful in his words when he talks about hemskys comments...
Careful and really, really takes the high road! If he was as controlled, thoughtful and insightful with his comments on Nilsson, Penner, Schremp etc. there would be a lot fewer pitchforks and torches on this board.

Take the 10 minutes and listen.

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03-24-2009, 01:14 PM
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Well well. Look who is trying to salvage their reputation here.
Ha... that's awesome. If you'd look at my post history I have little concern over my reputation here.

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You really have too much time on your hands.
You mean because I take 5 seconds to make sure I have at lest something to back up what I say?

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I've had arguments with mental midgets like you way too often. Ignored. Oh, early congrats on your 18000th post on thursday.
Man, you really have a ***** for this post count thing... you should probably get off of it, it's rather pathetic.

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03-24-2009, 01:15 PM
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Good job Hemsky.

My only concern is management will trade him and keep MacTavish if this escalates. MacT is best friends with the "ex" GM after all. That and wearing an Oiler jersey in the 1980s seems to equal job stability.

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"I'm just trying to do exactly what they want. I'm becoming a checker,"

That line sums up everything you need to know about MacT's coaching style.

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He finally said something, but he's been feeling this way for weeks.

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03-24-2009, 01:15 PM
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Because they are farther ahead doesn't mean they aren't what you should strive to be.

Striving for is something completely different than comparing to in the present moment.

If you look at his line matchups and what he demands from his players, the answer is an obvious yes.

Ok, I can accept that.

I guess we'll see. It took Detroit several seasons to develop Datsyuk and Zetterberg, but they had the benefit of some pretty good players in front of them to help it along at more reasonable pace (guys like Yzerman and Fedorov).

Well that's true, but again this is a point which raises some issues about directly comparing this team to Detroit. Now do you think MacT has the chops to do it properly?

If you don't, then are the players even good enough to get upset over if they are "ruined"?

I think that kind of dodges the more pertinent issue, that being whether or not the players can even handle the roles they're being given. If we don't have the talent to play a puck possession game then it's a fools errand to try and force the issue.

Except they haven't done that. At no point was Hemmer ever given free reign. In his first 2 seasons he was in and out of the lineup. It wasn't until his production soared that he got more freedom and more leeway.
Okay so free reign for only 4 seasons then or 5? I think the most pressing issue here is that obviously something has happened in that dressing room to make Hemsky feel right out of sorts and at one of the worst possible times in the season. Do I think that it necessarily will/should all fall on MacT's shoulders? No, of course not, but there are some really meaningful questions that need to be addressed when something like this happens.

It seems to me that a good coach trying to implement his system properly from the get go wouldn't run into these kind of issues with 10 games left. I think a more reasonable expectation would be within the first 10.

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03-24-2009, 01:16 PM
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What on earth made you think I was talking about Management and coaching?

I'm talking about the change in their on-ice philosophy and how they execute it. It's not perfect, it's got a long ways to go, but there has been a noticable change compared to past seasons.
Where's this overhaul there then?

I've seen the same system for almost the last decade. Up the boards and out. Any variance from that and it's all the players' doing (most likely sick and tired of the system they're being coached). What change has there been in their 'on-ice' philosophy? The PP is streaky and mundane, the PK is atrocious. They couldn't figure out how to manage their goaltending... where's the change?

This team is still defense first and offense second. It's been that way for the last few years now. I'm sorry, I don't see where this 'overhaul' has occurred.

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03-24-2009, 01:18 PM
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Some people here see this as a reason why Hemsky's leadership skills are in doubt. I see leadership as telling the truth when the truth desperately needs to be told. Not the meaningless, repeated platitudes that come out of Ethan Moreau's mouth.




The most talented player wants the coach to lean on him and stop trying to turn him into a checker.

Is that whining, or just echoing the feelings of the Oilointernetosphere™?

It's merely a player that's frustrated at his own performance and let off some steam.

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03-24-2009, 01:20 PM
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It's merely a player that's frustrated at his own performance and let off some steam.
Still a better performance then 10 of the top 12 forwards.

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You are ignoring the obvious. The Wings lead the league in scoring.
Not ignoring it at all.

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Whereas we are below average. That is the difference in the two teams right there.
Why exactly do the wings score more? They have the puck a lot more often than other teams which leads to more chances for and, coincedentally enough, less chances against.

That's the thing though... Detroit's best players work hard defensively to get the puck back so they can get more offensive opportunities. It certainly helps that they are as good as they are offensively when they do get it.

The Difference between Detroit and Edmonton is that Detroit is simply a better team in all facets (except goaltending). It doesn't change the fact that how their players play is a pretty damn good example of how our players play. They might not have the same success, but they'd be a better team.

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Conklin btw has a very respectable average.
Yes he does... too bad he's only played in half the games. If he played in them all Detroit would be 5th overall in GA.

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I'm talking about the change in their on-ice philosophy and how they execute it. It's not perfect, it's got a long ways to go, but there has been a noticable change compared to past seasons.
Can you please elaborate?

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Saying he's becoming a checker is proof that Mac T can turn talented guys into pluggers. Tells you everything about his coaching style.

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Careful and really, really takes the high road! If he was as controlled, thoughtful and insightful with his comments on Nilsson, Penner, Schremp etc. there would be a lot fewer pitchforks and torches on this board.
Yeah, weird. It's kind of like Hemsky has earned some leeway with him or something.

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A game against the Wings, ten games left in the season and Hemsky turning up the glare.

MacT's comments today should be classic stuff.
Just listened to his comments. Nothing spectacular, looks like you won't get the dirt you're craving.

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Saying he's becoming a checker is proof that Mac T can turn talented guys into pluggers. Tells you everything about his coaching style.
Exactly, Hemsky just confirmed what everyone on this board has been saying all year.

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Except that team was far better at it than Hemsky was.

You can live with a bad turnover here or there when you are putting the puck in the net.

When you turn it over in bad areas several times a game and you aren't scoring, that's when you have a big problem.
Do you know how many bad turn overs that MacT's child (Horcoff) has done this year? Why? How about the captain? It seems like it is an Oilers tradition to have every player turns the puck away in crucial time, at crucial spot. It is not funny that this trend happens quite frequently to almost every player in a defensive system. I am curious. it is the players who fail to follow the system of the system itself has flaw?

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Yeah, weird. It's kind of like Hemsky has earned some leeway with him or something.
Yeah, duh... The guy is a 7 year vet, with MacT as his coach everyone of those years. He's been to a SC final under MacT as one of the key components. You expect him to be treated the SAME as Nilsson and Penner?


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Can you please elaborate?
In 05-06, how many times did you see the Oilers reverse the puck back and make a one touch pass to a moving player on a breakout?

Virtually never. They do it routinely now.

The idea behind the puck possession game is you do not surrender the puck easily... that includes trying to make a move from a standstill at the blueline with 2 players on you.

Detroit has got this down. If they run into a wall, the puck goes back to their defencemen and they reset. The Oilers do this well at times, but at other times they have issues completing passes and they turn the puck over.

Just keep track over a couple of games the number of times a Detroit forward will have a pass bounce off their stick (or even have the puck roll off their stick as they are skating) vs say an Oiler forward.

The exectution is still a work in progress.

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In 05-06, how many times did you see the Oilers reverse the puck back and make a one touch pass to a moving player on a breakout?

Virtually never. They do it routinely now.

The idea behind the puck possession game is you do not surrender the puck easily... that includes trying to make a move from a standstill at the blueline with 2 players on you.

Detroit has got this down. If they run into a wall, the puck goes back to their defencemen and they reset. The Oilers do this well at times, but at other times they have issues completing passes and they turn the puck over.

Just keep track over a couple of games the number of times a Detroit forward will have a pass bounce off their stick (or even have the puck roll off their stick as they are skating) vs say an Oiler forward.

The exectution is still a work in progress.
There's a huge difference as the Oilers routinely try to go up the boards and that's where they get into trouble. Very rarely do they try to go up the middle like Detroit does.

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Still a better performance then 10 of the top 12 forwards.
Name these 10 forwards who have done less in the last 10 games statistically, that play the first line and PP.

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Exactly, Hemsky just confirmed what everyone on this board has been saying all year.

In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions.

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After reading the comments again and hearing MacT's comments... This is probably going to end up being nothing. Hemsky and MacT go way back. This won't be a problem.

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