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03-24-2009, 03:30 PM
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Well can any one prove that I am not in fact Ales Hemsky??
I dunno, let's see you chat up a high end nightclub's two hottest patrons and tell them you want to see them beg to take you home. If you're Hemmer, this should be as simple as breathing.

And don't forget, youtube or it didnt' happen.

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03-24-2009, 03:32 PM
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Well. Let me explain a couple of realities to you.

Good journalism is based on the concept of striving for objectivity and, while all reporters are human and obviously bring personal experience and human emotion to work with them every day. they must make every effort to filter that out of their work.

Here's an article you might find interesting given your accusations today because it seems to support your position but please note the bottom line:

"Objectivity is not a possible goal in human interaction, and that includes journalism. As long as human beings gather and disseminate the news, then subjectivity will be the rule, not the exception. However, this article's purpose is not to destroy the desire for objectivity in the news, but to help make it possible, as far as it is possible. If the reporter is not aware that his or her reaction and thus way of presenting the news is affected by that reporter's world view of the news, then the reporter's subjective view of the news is the view given, not the objective view that is the goal.

However, if reporters are aware that their world view is a component of the news, then reporters, if they are ethical in a sense that most people will accept, will consciously minimize the impact of subjectivity. They will not only accept, but allow for and consider that no one person's world view is the only reality. They will examine their work to be sure that prejudice, bias and a personal world view is not the one that dominates in gathering, preparing and disseminating the news.

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~taflinge/mythobj.html
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"This page was created by Richard F. Taflinger. Thus, all errors, bad links, and even worse style are entirely his fault."

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03-24-2009, 03:33 PM
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If only this were the prevailing sentiment around here...
Well, we're not journalists when we're on this board are we?

Although a few are when they take off their HF hats.

This board is a place to express opinions which sometimes are more based on facts than at other times but, if there were no differences of opinion, this would be a pretty dull place and we would still be thinking that this is a "close to elite team".

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I dunno, let's see you chat up a high end nightclub's two hottest patrons and tell them you want to see them beg to take you home. If you're Hemmer, this should be as simple as breathing.

And don't forget, youtube or it didnt' happen.
What's funny is that this isn't Hemmer's style. He's a little more of a wallflower. Nilson on the other hand........

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Well. Let me explain a couple of realities to you.

Good journalism is based on the concept of striving for objectivity and, while all reporters are human and obviously bring personal experience and human emotion to work with them every day. they must make every effort to filter that out of their work.

Here's an article you might find interesting given your accusations today because it seems to support your position but please note the bottom line:

"Objectivity is not a possible goal in human interaction, and that includes journalism. As long as human beings gather and disseminate the news, then subjectivity will be the rule, not the exception. However, this article's purpose is not to destroy the desire for objectivity in the news, but to help make it possible, as far as it is possible. If the reporter is not aware that his or her reaction and thus way of presenting the news is affected by that reporter's world view of the news, then the reporter's subjective view of the news is the view given, not the objective view that is the goal.

However, if reporters are aware that their world view is a component of the news, then reporters, if they are ethical in a sense that most people will accept, will consciously minimize the impact of subjectivity. They will not only accept, but allow for and consider that no one person's world view is the only reality. They will examine their work to be sure that prejudice, bias and a personal world view is not the one that dominates in gathering, preparing and disseminating the news.

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~taflinge/mythobj.html
Sorry, I call a truce, I was being a bit confrontational with my comment about"do you understand the concept", however it did yeild the desired results.

Of course you can go on, Personally I think reporters end up being unbias, but not in a good way (not talking about barns here). They end up being unbias in the sense that they personally don't care. Like lawyers are often accused, they end up being morally ambivilent. So in a nut shell most reporters don't have a view, however that makes them easy to mold into the view of the station, which often ends up being a suddle bias that pleases sponsors and sells papers. Now lets not get into the Noam Chomsky and manufactoring consent for example, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt 0104810/ a book studied in university classes around the world and one I have read a few times.

Any way, simply put. I just meant in the grand scheme of sports reporting Barnes was showing a bias, a slight bias towards a flair and trying to make a story, so people will buy the paper. however not a big deal at all, I just think people should take it with the grain of salt. Seriously, add up all the comments like this and find out how many times they ever result in anything? my guess is like 1% of the time.

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Whoa...I don't check the board for a few hours, and this happens. Are we still talking about Hemsky?

And DSF, I graduated from journalism, so if you need a few pointers...let me know.

PS I'm kidding, I know you were involved with journalism/papers, so don't tear me a new bumhole.


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I'm too lazy to go through and check this thread but Hemsky has responded to the comments he made on TSN in a video that is titled "End of Story." He basically says it's the end of the story for now and it's not the time to feel sorry for himself. All he wants is to help the team get into the playoffs and he'll focus on the last 10 games. That's good news for now but i'm a little worried what happens after the season.

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Whoa...I don't check the board for a few hours, and this happens. Are we still talking about Hemsky?

And DSF, I graduated from journalism, so you need a few pointers...let me know.

PS I'm kidding, I know you were involved with journalism/papers, so don't tear me a new bumhole.
I still am, so watch it buster.

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Well can any one prove that I am not in fact Ales Hemsky??
What an absurd, pointless thing to say.

Everyone knows that I'M the real Ales Hemsky.

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I still am, so watch it buster.
My condolences.

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Well, we're not journalists when we're on this board are we?

Although a few are when they take off their HF hats.

This board is a place to express opinions which sometimes are more based on facts than at other times but, if there were no differences of opinion, this would be a pretty dull place and we would still be thinking that this is a "close to elite team".
Not journalism per se, just wanted to make the distinction between informed opinion and the psychobabble that all too often permeates this board.

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I'm too lazy to go through and check this thread but Hemsky has responded to the comments he made on TSN in a video that is titled "End of Story." He basically says it's the end of the story for now and it's not the time to feel sorry for himself. All he wants is to help the team get into the playoffs and he'll focus on the last 10 games. That's good news for now but i'm a little worried what happens after the season.
Sounds like he meant what he said.

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Wow

That is one hell of a damning statement towards the coach from the team's most skilled player, even if the coach/media are trying to spin it as "much a'do about nothing" now.

Certainly explains Hemsky's disinterested and fustrated play of late for sure, and I can't say I really blame him all that much considering how little he's had to work with all year. O'sullivan is a step in the right direction on the left side and appears to be developing some chemistry with Hemsky, but this team needs a strong offensive center in a bad way and has for years now considering how poor of an offensive player Horcoff is.

I don't think you can bring Datsyk or Zetterberg into this discussion either. Neither of those players are checkers, they are elite offensive players who get used in offensive and defensive situations. Hemsky's statement alludes much more to the non-offensive type checker that you'd associate with a 3rd line player used to shut down other lines with no expectation of offense.

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My condolences.
No kidding. I'm feeling that hurt right now

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I'm looking forward to hearing what Gregor has to say about this

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I'm too lazy to go through and check this thread but Hemsky has responded to the comments he made on TSN in a video that is titled "End of Story." He basically says it's the end of the story for now and it's not the time to feel sorry for himself. All he wants is to help the team get into the playoffs and he'll focus on the last 10 games. That's good news for now but i'm a little worried what happens after the season.
I think this will be revisited in the off season judging by his comments in the "End of Story" bit.

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What an absurd, pointless thing to say.

Everyone knows that I'M the real Ales Hemsky.
I AM SPARTACUS... I mean, Ales Hemsky.

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Wow... Hemsky finally says what so many have been saying for years and 1/2 of us turn on him.

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Wow

That is one hell of a damning statement towards the coach from the team's most skilled player, even if the coach/media are trying to spin it as "much a'do about nothing" now.

Certainly explains Hemsky's disinterested and fustrated play of late for sure, and I can't say I really blame him all that much considering how little he's had to work with all year. O'sullivan is a step in the right direction on the left side and appears to be developing some chemistry with Hemsky, but this team needs a strong offensive center in a bad way and has for years now considering how poor of an offensive player Horcoff is.

I don't think you can bring Datsyk or Zetterberg into this discussion either. Neither of those players are checkers, they are elite offensive players who get used in offensive and defensive situations. Hemsky's statement alludes much more to the non-offensive type checker that you'd associate with a 3rd line player used to shut down other lines with no expectation of offense.
Ummmmmmmmm, what?

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Sounds like he meant what he said.
He said that he didn't regret his earlier comment.

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So he is expected to miss the playoffs more than make them? I highly doubt that the bar is set that low, do you?
Well, go back in time. What were various expectations in all of these 8 seasons and were they matched, surpassed or did they fall short?

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So are you now saying that the players arent adequate?
I'm saying that there have been years in his tenure when they have been.

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If thats the case then why does he continue to insist they play a system they cant execute? Is he not able to recognize this? Or is he too stubborn to change it to fit the skillset that he has to work with?
I'm assuming because they don't expect this to be an overnight process, and that it wasn't all put in place to see instant results this year.

Instead, the goal was to take a bunch of players who had less than 2 years NHL experience and work with them over a couple of seasons and develop them to be better NHL players, which I think is a pretty logical step when you've got a roster like this.

If you are looking for results this year, you won't find them. It was going to take something pretty special for it to all to come together this quickly.

You keep looking at it like it's a right now thing... to me that's unrealistic. That's very rare to have happen with a team that relies on a lot of young players in key roles.

It's not easy to learn, and there aren't a lot of quality vets to help tutor a couple of young players... it's almost the other way around.

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He clearly doesnt seem happy at the moment. That doesnt bode well for this team going forward. Without Hemsky it will be much harder to be successful.
No doubt. Doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to be that drastic though.

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Wow... Hemsky finally says what so many have been saying for years and 1/2 of us turn on him.
It's pretty sad to tell you the truth.

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That's good news for now but i'm a little worried what happens after the season.
We all are worried, from Hemsky all the way down to the youngest fan.

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Wow

That is one hell of a damning statement towards the coach from the team's most skilled player, even if the coach/media are trying to spin it as "much a'do about nothing" now.

Certainly explains Hemsky's disinterested and fustrated play of late for sure, and I can't say I really blame him all that much considering how little he's had to work with all year. O'sullivan is a step in the right direction on the left side and appears to be developing some chemistry with Hemsky, but this team needs a strong offensive center in a bad way and has for years now considering how poor of an offensive player Horcoff is.
So Horcoff being a poor centre (Hemsky has excelled before despite this) shows Hemsky has been used improperly?

I'm just curious as to how Hemsky has been used improperly over the years, and specifically this year to cause these comments.

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I don't think you can bring Datsyk or Zetterberg into this discussion either. Neither of those players are checkers, they are elite offensive players who get used in offensive and defensive situations. Hemsky's statement alludes much more to the non-offensive type checker that you'd associate with a 3rd line player used to shut down other lines with no expectation of offense.
But when has Hemsky ever played that role? We aren't talking about Datsyuk and Zetterberg being checkers... they are excellent 2 way players and excel at both ends of the ice.

There's a huge difference.

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