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03-26-2009, 05:26 PM
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Jokinen and Luongo were traded for Kvasha and Parrish, for God's sake.

thats number 2 on my list.

Lindros was a Top 5 talent of all time

to be in the top 50 in goals you need 472
Lindros 372
to be in the top 50 in Assists 690
Lindros 493
His points/GM not bad just no length to career.

1 Wayne Gretzky 1980 1999 1.92
2 Mario Lemieux 1985 2006 1.88
3 Mike Bossy 1978 1987 1.5
4 Bobby Orr 1967 1979 1.39
5 Sidney Crosby 2006 2009 1.38
6 Marcel Dionne 1972 1989 1.31
7 Alex Ovechkin 2006 2009 1.28
8 Peter Stastny 1981 1995 1.27
9 Jaromir Jagr 1991 2008 1.26
10 Evgeni Malkin 2007 2009 1.26
11 Peter Forsberg 1995 2008 1.25
12 Phil Esposito 1964 1981 1.24
13 Kent Nilsson 1980 1995 1.24
14 Guy Lafleur 1972 1991 1.2
15 Dale Hawerchuk 1982 1997 1.19
16 Joe Sakic 1989 2009 1.19
17 Pat LaFontaine 1984 1998 1.17
18 Steve Yzerman 1984 2006 1.16
19 Eric Lindros 1993 2007 1.14
20 Bernie Federko 1977 1990 1.13


Yeah, but no one could have predicted that at the time. He was the best player in the league for a couple of seasons, and he had the talent to be one of the greatest ever. I absolutely understand the reasoning behind the trade. In retrospect, it was a ton. Still, there is no way that deal is worse than Luongo and Jokinen for Kvasha and Parrish.

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03-26-2009, 05:39 PM
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lol

I like how you forgot to add Gagner to your proposal.
This.

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03-26-2009, 05:51 PM
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So....

To TBay: Gilbert, Cogliano, Nilsson, 1st 09, 1st 10

To EDM: 1st overall (aka JT)

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wil take more from the oilers--Nilsson is a spare part and does not count

Gilbert is a 3-4 man and cogliano could be a legit number 1--but is looking more and more like he fits at number 2 at center.

If I was Tb--3 first rounders, Jeff Petry, Eberle and Cogliano

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03-26-2009, 05:58 PM
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This package isn't even in the realm of what the Nordiques got for Eric Lindros. Not saying Tavares/Hedman are as good as Lindros was, but they are in the same realm. Gilbert, Nilson, Cogliano isn't in the same realm as Forsberg, Ricci, Hexall, 2 more good players, 2 firsts + 15 million (1990s money).
Not even close bud. Lindros was a generational prospect, guys come along in the draft every couple years as good as Tavares and Hedman.

The proposal from the OP doesn't really make sense from either team IMO. I just don't see the motivation from either side to complete the deal.

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03-26-2009, 06:02 PM
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You're not even offering up one of our top 5 players or prospects? This is kinda like the 3rd best we have at a few positions. There's no way TB listens. I think trading this pick is so rare that it's not even really worth discussing on it's own, but if I'm TB, you can be damn sure I'm asking for a top 5 player in return...probably more than one...your top prospect as well....probably 2 of your top 3.

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thats number 2 on my list.

So Hasek for Stephane Beauregard and a fourth round pick was better?

What about Roy for trash?

As for the proposal: it sucks.

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The Lightning need Hedman.
I don't know why people think it's possible for the Bolts to trade that pick. If the finish with the top picks they will draft their franchise dman.

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03-26-2009, 06:13 PM
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I don't know why people think it's possible for the Bolts to trade that pick. If the finish with the top picks they will draft their franchise dman.
They could still get him if they trade down one spot. I wouldn't move down any more than that, that's for sure.

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03-26-2009, 06:14 PM
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Considering how well Carle worked out down there, I bet they'd really want Gilbert.

I personally don't think Tampa would want Gilbert with that contract

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Considering how well Carle worked out down there, I bet they'd really want Gilbert.

I personally don't think Tampa would want Gilbert with that contract
What is wrong with Gilbert's contract?

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If I am Tampa and I have the 1st overall pick, I offer it to the Islanders (who really need Tavares) for the #2 overall plus.


A few weeks ago,Botta(a blogger with close ties to the scouts and front office), wrote that the nyi scouts are impressed with Hedman.

Isles need both the scorer and the stud defensemen,so I'd expect they'd just sit tight and take whichever of the two is still on the board,when they pick.

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03-26-2009, 08:55 PM
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Not even close bud. Lindros was a generational prospect, guys come along in the draft every couple years as good as Tavares and Hedman.

The proposal from the OP doesn't really make sense from either team IMO. I just don't see the motivation from either side to complete the deal.
When was the last 6'6 dman who skates like the wind and putting up great points in the SEL?

When was the player who is the career OHL leading goal scorer, and had 70 goals at age 15?

They aren't as good as Lindros, but they don't come every couple of years. Tavares and Hedman are better "prospects" than anyone in the past 15 years save Ovechkin and Crosby.

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03-26-2009, 09:00 PM
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A few weeks ago,Botta(a blogger with close ties to the scouts and front office), wrote that the nyi scouts are impressed with Hedman.

Isles need both the scorer and the stud defensemen,so I'd expect they'd just sit tight and take whichever of the two is still on the board,when they pick.

I saw that too, but agree with Mercury. If Tampa finishes 1st, they should try and trade down to 2nd overall, and pick up some assets in the deal.

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semi on-topic, but since someone mentioned TB #! trading down to the Islanders for #2 plus....could the reverse happen if NYI has the #1 pick and TB the #2?

Isles seem content with either JT or hEdman, and could use both badly. TB though needs Hedman much more. Would TB trade #2 plus a little something to make sure they get him?

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If you're not holding a pick that's #2 overall or #3 overall, plan on partially gutting your prospect pool to get to #1. The farther away you are, the more you're going to have to gut [and the more likely you have to trade key NHL players away].

In short: for what it would take for Edmonton to get to #1, it's probably not worth it.

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In short: for what it would take for Edmonton to get to #1, it's probably not worth it.
That probably sums up this whole debate right there.

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Tampa Bay needs defenders. I'm certain the Lightning are the most plausible team to trade up the draft this year for a package that includes D

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Tampa says no.

Hemsky (young playmaker for Stamkos)
Gilbert (puck moving, 40 point/season d-man)
draft pick

for

Lecavalier

Is a better package than what I believe the Habs can offer for Lecavalier. The Oilers I think would do it if Vinny is OK with that.

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Tampa says no.

Hemsky (young playmaker for Stamkos)
Gilbert (puck moving, 40 point/season d-man)
draft pick

for

Lecavalier

Is a better package than what I believe the Habs can offer for Lecavalier. The Oilers I think would do it if Vinny is OK with that.
If that draft pick is a 1st TB would listen

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If that draft pick is a 1st TB would listen
If that's what Tampa wants, and that's what's holding such a deal from going through -- you have to do it.

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When was the last 6'6 dman who skates like the wind and putting up great points in the SEL?

When was the player who is the career OHL leading goal scorer, and had 70 goals at age 15?

They aren't as good as Lindros, but they don't come every couple of years. Tavares and Hedman are better "prospects" than anyone in the past 15 years save Ovechkin and Crosby.
malkin, heatley, kovalchuk, thornton, lecavlier.........

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Tampa says no.

Hemsky (young playmaker for Stamkos)
Gilbert (puck moving, 40 point/season d-man)
draft pick

for

Lecavalier

Is a better package than what I believe the Habs can offer for Lecavalier. The Oilers I think would do it if Vinny is OK with that.
Hemsky + Gilbert + 1st '09 for Lecavalier

I'd also do the above deal for the 1st overall pick (Tavares) instead.

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malkin, heatley, kovalchuk, thornton, lecavlier.........
I don't think any of them were as good as Tavares and Hedman at the same age. Not saying Tavares and Hedman are going to be better, we of course won't know that for a while.

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A few weeks ago,Botta(a blogger with close ties to the scouts and front office), wrote that the nyi scouts are impressed with Hedman.

Isles need both the scorer and the stud defensemen,so I'd expect they'd just sit tight and take whichever of the two is still on the board,when they pick.
And that's great for them. If Tampa gets the first, they can pick either and NYI would be happy. If they honestly have things as a tie or prefer Hedman and TB has the first overall, then things work out. Of course, TB could alwayys take Hedman, and then NYI would have Tavares as a consolation prize. But, if I were TB and did have the #1, I would certainly talk to NYI about it. It just makes sense.

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