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03-27-2009, 02:14 PM
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Tight crossovers in a circle

When we're doing drills around witches' hats I find that my speed makes it difficult to make tight circles around the hats and I end up doing huge circles. Yet when others do it, they seem to have smaller circles at the same speed.

Am I not using my edges enough perhaps? Or should I be taking my crossovers faster? It just seems hard to make a tight circle without slowing down!

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03-27-2009, 02:18 PM
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When we're doing drills around witches' hats I find that my speed makes it difficult to make tight circles around the hats and I end up doing huge circles. Yet when others do it, they seem to have smaller circles at the same speed.

Am I not using my edges enough perhaps? Or should I be taking my crossovers faster? It just seems hard to make a tight circle without slowing down!
you are not using your edges properly. lean into the middle of the circle.

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When we're doing drills around witches' hats I find that my speed makes it difficult to make tight circles around the hats and I end up doing huge circles. Yet when others do it, they seem to have smaller circles at the same speed.

Am I not using my edges enough perhaps? Or should I be taking my crossovers faster? It just seems hard to make a tight circle without slowing down!
How tall are you?

My first recommendation would be to slow it down. Practice your edge work and see if you can tighten your turns without increasing your foot speed. Once you've got that down you can focus on quick crossovers.

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Yeah, use the edges more and get down into it more. You'll feel it when you do it right and know.

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When we're doing drills around witches' hats I find that my speed makes it difficult to make tight circles around the hats and I end up doing huge circles. Yet when others do it, they seem to have smaller circles at the same speed.

Am I not using my edges enough perhaps? Or should I be taking my crossovers faster? It just seems hard to make a tight circle without slowing down!
Well, you can use a Canadien turn for the tight turn and then cross over the minute you come out of the Canadien turn.

When doing circles, the more you lean into the circle while you are skating fast, the more it counter balances the centrifical force that causes you to go outward. If you lean your body into the inside of the circle, you will have to have more faith on your edge. This is going to take great balance. Work on your balance at slow speeds and then increase the speed and increase the lean as you get faster.

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Well, you can use a Canadien turn for the tight turn and then cross over the minute you come out of the Canadien turn.

When doing circles, the more you lean into the circle while you are skating fast, the more it counter balances the centrifical force that causes you to go outward. If you lean your body into the inside of the circle, you will have to have more faith on your edge. This is going to take great balance. Work on your balance at slow speeds and then increase the speed and increase the lean as you get faster.

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Very, very well said.

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you just gotta lean in alot. it should just come naturally. skating is something where you really have to work with the forces involved. thats the only way i can explain skating.

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More weight on the front foot. If all your weight is on your back foot (what your body does naturally) you only use one blade/edge. If you shift your weight forward to the leading foot then you use two edges. Takes time to get though.

Look & lean in the direction that you are turning.

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Headcoach has it nailed. How many crossovers are you doing? Crossovers take time and if you are moving then they also take space. Watch what the guys are doing that seem to be making tighter turns than you are. As Headcoach said try making a hockey turn (inside foot forward and on your outside edge and outside foot behind on your inside edge) get low and lean and just make one crossover as you come out of your turn. The crossover just gets your outside foot in a position to be able to make an explosive first stride in the new direction.
Oh, and I am assuming that you're using a stick? If so when making a turn to the backhand side of your stick try putting the blade down right next to the cone and sort of "plant" it. Let the blade rotate but don't let it slide forward. Just turn around your stick. That will rotate your shoulders and what your shoulders do your hips do. Shoulders turn, hips turn feet have to turn. When turning on your forehand side keep the stick blade off the ice and rotate your hands, bottom hand over top hand. The forehand side of the blade should be facing and parallel to the ice


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How tall are you?

My first recommendation would be to slow it down. Practice your edge work and see if you can tighten your turns without increasing your foot speed. Once you've got that down you can focus on quick crossovers.
I'm 5'7". Will try all that.

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Haha, part of it is my blades, they're a bit blunt. But I know its not all the problem. Thanks for all the advice everyone. Will try out evrything thats been said.

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Haha, part of it is my blades, they're a bit blunt. But I know its not all the problem. Thanks for all the advice everyone. Will try out evrything thats been said.
That's actually a very significant part of the problem. If your skates aren't sharp, you don't have edges to do edge work with. They won't dig in, and if you lean into a turn too much you fall over, which will keep you from making those turns.

If your skates aren't sharp getting them sharpened is the absolute first step. It may not have anything to do with your technique, just the fact that your mind is automatically processing that you're sliding on the ice when you lean over and you'll fall if you go into a turn that sharp and keeping you from going that far.

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That's actually a very significant part of the problem. If your skates aren't sharp, you don't have edges to do edge work with. They won't dig in, and if you lean into a turn too much you fall over, which will keep you from making those turns.

If your skates aren't sharp getting them sharpened is the absolute first step. It may not have anything to do with your technique, just the fact that your mind is automatically processing that you're sliding on the ice when you lean over and you'll fall if you go into a turn that sharp and keeping you from going that far.

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