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04-01-2009, 09:40 AM
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Ottawa - Florida (offseason)

Assuming that Jay Bouwmeester does not want to re-sign with the Pathers in the offseason, and Florida wanted to trade his negotiation rights.

Dany Heatley

for

Nathan Horton
Jay Bouwmeester (negotiation rights)
Conditional 1st round pick (If Bouwmeester doesn't sign)


This trade is a High-Risk, High-Reward type trades for Ottawa. I feel that Florida wins this trade no matter what. They are getting a 50-goal scorer, for the rights of a player that didn't want to sign with them and a 2nd line center with potential. I think the most Florida will get for the negotiation rights of Bouwmeester will be a 1st round pick, so this trade comes down to 2 possible scenarios.

Two possible scenarios:

Dany Heatley for Horton, Bouwmeester
(or)
Dany Heatley for Horton, Florida's 1st in 2009.

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04-01-2009, 09:49 AM
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Assuming that Jay Bouwmeester does not want to re-sign with the Pathers in the offseason, and Florida wanted to trade his negotiation rights.

Dany Heatley

for

Nathan Horton
Jay Bouwmeester (negotiation rights)
Conditional 1st round pick (If Bouwmeester doesn't sign)


This trade is a High-Risk, High-Reward type trades for Ottawa. I feel that Florida wins this trade no matter what. They are getting a 50-goal scorer, for the rights of a player that didn't want to sign with them and a 2nd line center with potential. I think the most Florida will get for the negotiation rights of Bouwmeester will be a 1st round pick, so this trade comes down to 2 possible scenarios.

Two possible scenarios:

Dany Heatley for Horton, Bouwmeester
(or)
Dany Heatley for Horton, Florida's 1st in 2009.
Why does Heatly want to be traded to Florida?

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04-01-2009, 09:50 AM
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Assuming that Jay Bouwmeester does not want to re-sign with the Pathers in the offseason, and Florida wanted to trade his negotiation rights.

Dany Heatley

for

Nathan Horton
Jay Bouwmeester (negotiation rights)
Conditional 1st round pick (If Bouwmeester doesn't sign)


This trade is a High-Risk, High-Reward type trades for Ottawa. I feel that Florida wins this trade no matter what. They are getting a 50-goal scorer, for the rights of a player that didn't want to sign with them and a 2nd line center with potential. I think the most Florida will get for the negotiation rights of Bouwmeester will be a 1st round pick, so this trade comes down to 2 possible scenarios.

Two possible scenarios:

Dany Heatley for Horton, Bouwmeester
(or)
Dany Heatley for Horton, Florida's 1st in 2009.
I doubt Ottawa trades Heatley...Spezza on the other hand is a possibility.

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04-01-2009, 10:27 AM
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Well thats an awesome deal.... for the panthers. Its essentially Horton and a first for Heatley, not gonna happen.
If J-Bo wants to be a Sen then they can just wait til July 1 to sign him and not have to give up Heatley.

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I doubt Ottawa trades Heatley...Spezza on the other hand is a possibility.
How so?

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04-01-2009, 10:48 AM
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Well thats an awesome deal.... for the panthers. Its essentially Horton and a first for Heatley, not gonna happen.
If J-Bo wants to be a Sen then they can just wait til July 1 to sign him and not have to give up Heatley.
The thing with this proposal, it gives Ottawa a chance to potentially sign Jay Bouwmeester. It gives Ottawa the exclusive rights to workout a deal before every other team in the league tries to entice him. So either way, the Sens have more to lose in this deal, but have a lot to gain.

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I doubt Ottawa trades Heatley...Spezza on the other hand is a possibility.
No. They will not be trading Spezza.

I agree with the poster who asks why Heatley goes to Florida...

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Well thats an awesome deal.... for the panthers. Its essentially Horton and a first for Heatley, not gonna happen.
If J-Bo wants to be a Sen then they can just wait til July 1 to sign him and not have to give up Heatley.
I think the idea would be that Ottawa couldn't afford Heatley and J-Bo

I think Ottawa is much better off keeping Spezza. Franchise centers seem to be harder to come by than wingers. I love Heatley, but I would rather trade him than Spezza.

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04-01-2009, 11:09 AM
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Why would Ottawa trade a 50 goal scoring all-star for a guy that's cracked 30 goals once, we may as well try to get Higgins from Montreal. For one of the top wingers in the game Ottawa would be asking for much more in return and yeah, JBo could be signed in the off-season (although not if he's asking for more than 6 mil a year)

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NTC, this proposal goes nowhere.


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Why would Ottawa trade a 50 goal scoring all-star for a guy that's cracked 30 goals once, we may as well try to get Higgins from Montreal. For one of the top wingers in the game Ottawa would be asking for much more in return and yeah, JBo could be signed in the off-season (although not if he's asking for more than 6 mil a year)
My original proposal said it was a high-risk high reward trade fore Ottawa. It gives Ottawa leverage, as they would have exclusive first rights to negotiate a deal for Jay Bouwmeester. And If you knew anything, you would know, that it will cost more than 6 million a year to get Bouwmeester
What would you rather potentially have.

Horton and Jaybo
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Heatley

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04-01-2009, 11:31 AM
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The original OP said it was a high-risk high reward trade fore Ottawa. It gives Ottawa leverage, as they would have exclusive first rights to negotiate a deal for Jay Bouwmeester. And If you knew anything, you would know, that it will cost more than 6 million a year to get Bouwmeester
What would you rather potentially have.

Horton and Jaybo
or
Heatley
Or we could potentially have

Horton and a first
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heatley

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If you Heatley were to waive his NTC would you risk this trade Danish?

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Or we could potentially have

Horton and a first
or
heatley
Yup high risk, high reward type deal.
Would you do it though?

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If Heatley were to waive his NTC would you risk this trade Danish?
I dont want to go that far. Heatley has an NTC in effect. Murray has said he wont trade people with NTCs and long-term contracts (probably added to protect spezza). That's all we need to know.

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My original proposal said it was a high-risk high reward trade fore Ottawa. It gives Ottawa leverage, as they would have exclusive first rights to negotiate a deal for Jay Bouwmeester. And If you knew anything, you would know, that it will cost more than 6 million a year to get Bouwmeester
What would you rather potentially have.

Horton and Jaybo
or
Heatley

What I meant is that I don't think that Jbo is worth more than 6 million, especially as far as Ottawa is concerned. Also I think if the choice is Heatley at 7 mil per year for a few years or Jbo and Horton at (~8+~4) 12 million per year I would take Heatley. In any event we have numerous defensive prospects and I still think that we should keep the best player by far in the deal (Heatley)

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If J-Bo doesn't resign we get Horton and an average first round pick for Heatley. I realize Horton is a pretty good player, but that's a ****** deal for Ottawa.

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What I meant is that I don't think that Jbo is worth more than 6 million, especially as far as Ottawa is concerned. Also I think if the choice is Heatley at 7 mil per year for a few years or Jbo and Horton at (~8+~4) 12 million per year I would take Heatley. In any event we have numerous defensive prospects and I still think that we should keep the best player by far in the deal (Heatley)
Bouwmeester is exactly what Ottawa needs, a number 1 defensemen. He can log huge minutes while playing against other teams top lines and providing offence at the same time. Heatley may be the best player at the moment, but his potential has peaked. Bouwmeester and Horton have yet to hit full stride with their potential.

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Bouwmeester is exactly what Ottawa needs, a number 1 defensemen. He can log huge minutes while playing against other teams top lines and providing offence at the same time. Heatley may be the best player at the moment, but his potential has peaked. Bouwmeester and Horton have yet to hit full stride with their potential.
J-Bo hasn't proven anything yet. He's gone invisible just about every time the pressure is on him to perform.

I'd rather not trade one of the best goal scorers in the league for that.

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You cant risk a franchise player although if ottawa agrees to a deal with bouwmeester before the free agency period then im all for it.

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J-Bo hasn't proven anything yet. He's gone invisible just about every time the pressure is on him to perform.

I'd rather not trade one of the best goal scorers in the league for that.
I totally agree, I also don't think that Horton has any more stride to hit, he seems like he's reached his full potential. Bottom line is that JBo would be a great addition to Ottawa but not at the price of our top goal scorer (even including Horton and a mid-round 1st).

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I see Heatley's in this trade. Must be a bad night for your team. HE'S NOT LEAVING OTTAWA!

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I would do this deal in no time.
However, I do not see Ottawa doing this, unless Bouwmeester agrees to sign there, or Heatley wanting to go to Florida.

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If Heatley wants to come back home to Alberta (thus waiving the NTC), maybe you could make it a three way deal.

To EDM:

Dany Heatley
Jason Smith (clears some cap for the Sens)

To OTT:

Nathan Horton
Robert Nilsson
+ rights to Jay Bo (resigned at $7 mill per)
+ Florida 2009 2nd Rounder

To FLA:

Patrick O'Sullivan
Tom Gilbert
EDM 1st 2009


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If Heatley wants to come back home to Alberta (thus waiving the NTC), maybe you could make it a three way deal.

To EDM:

Dany Heatley
Jason Smith (clears some cap for the Sens)

To OTT:

Nathan Horton
+ rights to Jay Bo (resigned at $7 mill per)
+ Florida 2009 2nd Rounder

To FLA:

Patrick O'Sullivan
Tom Gilbert
EDM 1st 2009
Unless J-Bo is signed and then traded, or Ottawa agrees on a deal with him pre-trade, they are giving up too much for his rights.

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