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04-02-2009, 03:40 PM
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No-trade-clause vs. Waivers

What does the CBA say about waiving a player with NTC? Is it possible or not?

(...just seen enough Brad Stuart...)

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its possible i think, not sure about NMC tho

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What does the CBA say about waiving a player with NTC? Is it possible or not?

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as long as there isnt a NMC

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its possible i think, not sure about NMC tho
you spelled John Tavares' name wrong.

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NTC: player can still be waived without his consent
NMC: player cannot be waived unless he consents [unless the player is being waived for the express purpose of being bought out]

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[unless the player is being waived for the express purpose of being bought out]
Very odd scenario...Player A with a NMC is placed on unconditional waivers with the intent of being bought out and is claimed by, say, Atlanta...does said player have the right to reject the move/not report citing his NMC? I'd assume not, but just throwing it out there...

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The whole Dan Boyle/Tampa situation was threatening to waive him if he wouldn't accept a trade.

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The whole Dan Boyle/Tampa situation was threatening to waive him if he wouldn't accept a trade.
dammit you beat me to it.. perfect example

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What does the CBA say about waiving a player with NTC? Is it possible or not?

(...just seen enough Brad Stuart...)
For example. Chris Drury has a NMC so he cant be traded or put on waivers with out his consent.

Wade Redden has a NTC so he cant be traded but he can be put on waivers and sent to the minors(im really hoping this happens over the summer)

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Very odd scenario...Player A with a NMC is placed on unconditional waivers with the intent of being bought out and is claimed by, say, Atlanta...does said player have the right to reject the move/not report citing his NMC? I'd assume not, but just throwing it out there...
Nope - as long as he was given prior notice that he was being waived for the purpose of being bought out, he can't object to being put on waivers ... and so he has no recourse if someone else [inexplicably] claims him.

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242170

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The deal also included a no-trade clause in the first two season and a limited no-trade clause in the last two years of the contract.
Hmm, what could that limited no-trade-clause be?

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Hmm, what could that limited no-trade-clause be?
he can probably be traded to a limited list of pre-approved teams.

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Very odd scenario...Player A with a NMC is placed on unconditional waivers with the intent of being bought out and is claimed by, say, Atlanta...does said player have the right to reject the move/not report citing his NMC? I'd assume not, but just throwing it out there...
Nope - as long as he was given prior notice that he was being waived for the purpose of being bought out, he can't object to being put on waivers ... and so he has no recourse if someone else [inexplicably] claims him.

Actually, in this situation the NMC won't stop the buyout, but the player has the option of whether they want to placed on waivers or not before being bought out.

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(b) A no-move clause may prevent the involuntary relocation of a Player, whether by Trade, Loan or Waiver claim. A no-move clause, however, may not restrict the Club's buy-out and termination rights as set forth in this Agreement. Prior to exercising its Ordinary Course Buy-Out rights pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC hereof, the Club shall, in writing in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, provide the Player with the option of electing to be placed on Waivers. The Player will have twenty-four (24) hours from the time he receives such notice to accept or reject that option at his sole discretion, and shall so inform the Club in writing, in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, within such twenty-four (24) hour period. If the Player does not timely accept or reject that option, it will be deemed rejected.

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Actually, in this situation the NMC won't stop the buyout, but the player has the option of whether they want to placed on waivers or not before being bought out.
Let me clarify: my understanding of Mike's comment was that the player is placed on unconditional waivers for the purpose of being bought out, and another team claims the player off waivers before the buyout was executed. [In that case, the player can't do anything about being claimed off waivers.] While the player may well refuse to be put on waivers, Mike is assuming that hasn't happened - and I would imagine a player holding a NMC would try to keep his current contract as opposed to getting only 2/3rds of its remaining value unless he thinks he'll make it up in a new contract after the buyout is completed.

Could he refuse to be put on waivers? If 11.8(b) takes precedence over the language in paragraph 13(a) in the SPC, then yes - but it's not entirely clear if this is the case or not. Like several places in the CBA, you've got two items that appear to conflict with each other.

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I agree it's not explicit, but the reasonable interpretation would be 11.8(b) takes precedence, IMHO. It describes an exception (player option for waivers) to a CBA rule (players must be offered on waivers before being bought out). It's in the NMC section and I can't come up with any other scenarios where the exception would be applied other than NMC's? Would have been cleaner if they used the keyword "notwithstanding".

Agree on the 2/3rd and/or new contract angle.

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For example. Chris Drury has a NMC so he cant be traded or put on waivers with out his consent.

Wade Redden has a NTC so he cant be traded but he can be put on waivers and sent to the minors(im really hoping this happens over the summer)
Yup but if you paid 3/4 of redden's salary and added 5 first round draft picks, i'm sure ottawa would be happy to pick him up again.

Of course you would have to say Please.

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Hmm, what could that limited no-trade-clause be?
Probably he could be traded to teams that he approves of.

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