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04-05-2009, 04:10 AM
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How about this, some creative thinking Islanders win lottery and trade the pick to Tampa for Lecavalier. Tampa gets Tavares and Islanders get an established star to bring in the fans. Plus I bet the Isles are tired of rebuilding.

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Okay, before you hang me, I have read the other threads similar to this, and I don't think they address my point specifically.

If TB wins the draft lottery, giving them No. 1 overall and (assuming) the Islanders land No. 2, I would say that it makes more sense for TB to draft Hedman because of their center situation of Lecavalier and Stamkos.

Therefore, since I believe that Tavares will go No. 1 overall, and Islanders would kill to have him, do you think TB would swap 1st rounders with the Isles? This way TB still gets Hedman, and they get whatever else the Isles are willing to part with. Even if it's just a 5th rounder, better than nothing.

Or, do you think the Isles would just settle for the No. 2 and risk taking Hedman (which is still not a bad pick at all) ?
I could see Tampa getting the 2nd round pick belonging to Boston to swap spots. Makes tons of sense for both teams.

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How about this, some creative thinking Islanders win lottery and trade the pick to Tampa for Lecavalier. Tampa gets Tavares and Islanders get an established star to bring in the fans. Plus I bet the Isles are tired of rebuilding.
That trade is ridiculous. Makes ZERO sense for the Isles. Trade an 18 yr old kid who fits perfectly with what the Isles are trying to build for a player 11 years older (who he will be better than) and who makes a ton of money. I know people in the Isles front office and they have made Tavares their no. 1 priority. Any trade they make for him would be for a young star and draft picks.

Ex - Tavares for Toews and a #1 Pick

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Just going on a gut feeling here, but I think Colorado will be winning the draft lottery and subsequently draft Tavares as the heir to Sakic's thrown in Denver.

Sakic will come back to play one more year and be there to guide Tavares along during his rookie season.

This is not a biased prediction though. If I had my way, against even greater odds the Coyotes would win the lottery should they finish in the 27th or 26th overall spot.

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How about this, some creative thinking Islanders win lottery and trade the pick to Tampa for Lecavalier. Tampa gets Tavares and Islanders get an established star to bring in the fans. Plus I bet the Isles are tired of rebuilding.
DiPi is signed for 13 more yrs.

The isles are still on the hook,paying Yashin for another 5 yrs in the buyout.

Very tough to see them taking on Vinny Lecavalair's new 11 yr/$85m dollar deal.He'll be about 40 when that deal ends and not likely to be worth that kind of salary.

As for being 'tired' of rebuilding,there's a recent Newsday article where Snow tells how many fans are approaching him at games,saying they are behind the rebuild and to stick with it.I think the progress that several key youngsters have shown in Gordon's 1st yr, is the reason for fan optimism.

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what if toronto falls to the bottom 5 and gets JT, or even poenix or colorado., its called lottory drafdt everyone auotmatically thinks ohh islanders= worst= JT at #1
its called lottory drafdt

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04-05-2009, 10:27 AM
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How about this, some creative thinking Islanders win lottery and trade the pick to Tampa for Lecavalier. Tampa gets Tavares and Islanders get an established star to bring in the fans. Plus I bet the Isles are tired of rebuilding.
Have you not seen the other 3 or 4 threads discussing this idea?

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Ex - Tavares for Toews and a #1 Pick
That's an interesting suggestion... haven't seen that one yet.

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If the bolts draft Tavares, I'd say Vinny is as good as gone... Then again... Who knows... Id rather us draft Hedman, but I cant say Id EVER pass up on Tavares... Decisions decisions...

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If TB wins the lottery I'm done! They have already won it twice in 11 years and were able to get franchise players on both occassions (Stamkos and Vinny). I do have a serious hunch that if the NYR miss the playoffs their number will come up in the lottery. The NHL would love Tavares in NY.

No league has seen more draft luck that the NHL with TB and Pit. How many other teams can get the best first overall choice ever (Lemieux) then I believe they either won or finished 2nd in '03, 04, 05 and went Fleury, Malkin, Crosby. It's no wonder they wanted a casino to fund their new arena; talk about dumb luck.

Meanwhile the Wild, CBJ, Nashville paid $80m franchise fees to draft between 6-12 almost every year they didn't make the playoffs.


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I don't see how trading down just one spot would get anything, I mean if you're the Islanders in this situation and you know they want Hedman, then why not just hold out and see if they're willing to pick him first overall leaving JT to the Isles. If not then getting Hedman without having to give anything up is still pretty sweet.
this.

Quite honestly, the Islanders do not particularly care what position they end up in. Three great talents available at 1-3. Don't be surprised to see them pick Victor Hedman at #1 overall, either.

In my own humble opinion, I also believe that the #1 overall pick is more likely to be moved if the Islanders end up first overall and the Lightning end up second. Because the Lightning have more to lose if the Isles take Hedman.

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With guys like Bailey, Okposo, Neilson I think they would be fine with Hedman and they would not give up another draft pick.

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I do have a serious hunch that if the NYR miss the playoffs their number will come up in the lottery. The NHL would love Tavares in NY.

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The team winning the lottery can only move up 4 spots.The rangers are in the hunt for the last playoff spot in the east.If they miss the playoffs and win the lottery,they'll be moving up to 9th or 10th.

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That trade is ridiculous. Makes ZERO sense for the Isles. Trade an 18 yr old kid who fits perfectly with what the Isles are trying to build for a player 11 years older (who he will be better than) and who makes a ton of money. I know people in the Isles front office and they have made Tavares their no. 1 priority. Any trade they make for him would be for a young star and draft picks.

Ex - Tavares for Toews and a #1 Pick
Saying Tavares will be better than Vinny is far fetched given the kid has not proved anything.

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DiPi is signed for 13 more yrs.

The isles are still on the hook,paying Yashin for another 5 yrs in the buyout.

Very tough to see them taking on Vinny Lecavalair's new 11 yr/$85m dollar deal.He'll be about 40 when that deal ends and not likely to be worth that kind of salary.

As for being 'tired' of rebuilding,there's a recent Newsday article where Snow tells how many fans are approaching him at games,saying they are behind the rebuild and to stick with it.I think the progress that several key youngsters have shown in Gordon's 1st yr, is the reason for fan optimism.
You mean the same 2 fans that are always showing up at games?

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The team winning the lottery can only move up 4 spots.The rangers are in the hunt for the last playoff spot in the east.If they miss the playoffs and win the lottery,they'll be moving up to 9th or 10th.

Your correct the Rangers couldn't win it.

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If TB wins the lottery I'm done! They have already won it twice in 11 years and were able to get franchise players on both occassions (Stamkos and Vinny). I do have a serious hunch that if the NYR miss the playoffs their number will come up in the lottery. The NHL would love Tavares in NY.
Just for clarity (it seems you might have forgotten this point - maybe not), any team that wins the lottery moves up no more than 4 spots in the draft ranking.

Thus, only one of the last 5 teams have a shot at getting the 1st overall pick.

If the NHL would like to see him there, Bettman 'n co. will likely just have to settle for Tavares in NY via the Islanders.

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If TB picks #1 overall, they would have poor trading options with either Colorado or NYI. Neither seem to be ready to dish off something good just for Tavares OVER Hedman. If it were another Crosby-Ryan 1,2 thingy, then surely a big trade could come.

Considering the top 2 and even to a degree, the top 3 are pretty certain to be considered ahead of the rest, a blockbuster trade with a team like LA or Phoenix would be the more probable option.

Still, even the fans over at the Phoenix boards aren't in the mood to swap their pick (#5?) plus several promising bodies just for Tavares/Hedman. Their pick and Mueller seems to be the rate they feel is fair for such a swap.

Whether it's NYI or TB, sittin' pretty and takin' the guy who is there is the safest way to go.

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The Islanders are still in last and could go 2-2 in their last four games and still remain in last place, regardless of whether TB and COL actually lose the rest of their games.

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You mean the same 2 fans that are always showing up at games?
Is that you Chuck Wang,worrying about nyi attendance?

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As an Islanders fan, I rather see then not make any effort to move up from spot #2 to spot #1. For the teams sake it probably best that nobody questions the choice they make(and picking second avoids all that second guessing)

I saw a recent interview of a bunch of scouts where 7 would take Tavares and 5 would take Hedman, in a situation like this I would just call tampa's Bluff. The most I might offer for the pick would be switch of second rounders

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If Tampa gets the 1st pick overall, the logic thing to do is to draft Tavares and trade Lecavalier. Why keep Lecavalier who's earning big bucks, when you have absolutely zero chance of winning the cup in the next few seasons.

Trade Lecavalier, then build around Stamkos and Tavares and the assets you're gonna get from trading Lecavalier.

Tampa could very well trade Lecavalier to Montreal, knowing Montreal would seriously overpay to get their hands on Lecavalier. They could get players like Halak, Higgins, the Kosts , Pacioretty, D'Agostini etc.. in return, you name it.

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Tampa could very well trade Lecavalier to Montreal, knowing Montreal would seriously overpay to get their hands on Lecavalier. They could get players like Halak, Higgins, the Kosts , Pacioretty, D'Agostini etc.. in return, you name it.
If I am Tampa trading Vinny, I am seaking a top pairing defenseman in return

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If I am Tampa trading Vinny, I am seaking a top pairing defenseman in return
And wingers to play with Tavares and Stamkos, wich Montreal has a lot.

As far as defenseman are concerned, they'd want prospects, not a guy who's gonna earn millions.

ie: McDonagh, Subban

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And wingers to play with Tavares and Stamkos, wich Montreal has a lot.

As far as defenseman are concerned, they'd want prospects, not a guy who's gonna earn millions.

ie: McDonagh, Subban
Problem is if they trade Vinny for a bunch of good but nothing special type players they will lose the deal. I don't make a trade with Montreal unless Price and/or Markov is put in the package.

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When dealing with a Tavares or Hedman, you really can't go wrong either way. Whoever has 1 or 2 will likely stay there unless confronted with a team willing to give up well more than fair market value for the pick.

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