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04-05-2009, 10:47 AM
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Kessel to Ottawa

Assuming Kessel can't be resigned and needs to be shopped, I can't think of anything we could offer that works for the Bruins. What do you guys think, what would the Bruins accept from Ottawa? Remember, it needs to be a Cap Friendly move for Boston, otherwise they wouldn't be trading Kessel.

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04-05-2009, 11:24 AM
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I dunno what Boston needs, but something like:

Volchenkov
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04-05-2009, 11:26 AM
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Well if they can't sign hm then they cant really want too much right? Its either they lose him for nothing or they get something. PLUS if hes not signed then theres no guarantee that the sens can sign him.

2nd, Zubov + maybe a roster player along the lines of Donovan/Smith

That is probably all that I would give for an RFA of his caliber I think.
And I know that bruins fans will probably hate this deal.
That's a good one.

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Assuming Kessel can't be resigned and needs to be shopped, I can't think of anything we could offer that works for the Bruins. What do you guys think, what would the Bruins accept from Ottawa? Remember, it needs to be a Cap Friendly move for Boston, otherwise they wouldn't be trading Kessel.
Well if they can't sign hm then they cant really want too much right? Its either they lose him for nothing or they get something. PLUS if hes not signed then theres no guarantee that the sens can sign him.

2nd, Zubov + maybe a roster player along the lines of Donovan/Smith

That is probably all that I would give for an RFA of his caliber I think.
And I know that bruins fans will probably hate this deal.\

However... if he is signed then I would give up ALOT more. 2010 1st, Phillips, Zubov 4th for Kessel and Montador

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Well if they can't sign hm then they cant really want too much right? Its either they lose him for nothing or they get something. PLUS if hes not signed then theres no guarantee that the sens can sign him.

2nd, Zubov + maybe a roster player along the lines of Donovan/Smith

That is probably all that I would give for an RFA of his caliber I think.
And I know that bruins fans will probably hate this deal.\

However... if he is signed then I would give up ALOT more. 2010 1st, Phillips, Zubov 4th for Kessel and Montador
They can't lose him for nothing, it's either they trade him or they take multiple 1sts.

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I'd say at least a first rounder, and maybe a 2nd tier prospect

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Boston fans will tell you it'll cost you guys 4 first round picks, because anything under that they'll try to match.

I'll tell you it's impossible, because Ottawa doesn't have anything "low-cost" and valuable to offer (i.e: Prospects), since all their best players are signed to ridiculous long term + expensive contracts (which is counterproductive in this case for the Bruins).

No deal possible? I think so.

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They can't lose him for nothing, it's either they trade him or they take multiple 1sts.
Oh yeah I forgot about the whole RFA thing. I thought that after a few weeks they become UFA's if they are not signed no?

Regardless, just ignore my earlier post because they can get much more for that... however I dont assume that anyone makes an offer sheet for him because of the picks you have to give up.

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Oh yeah I forgot about the whole RFA thing. I thought that after a few weeks they become UFA's if they are not signed no?

Regardless, just ignore my earlier post because they can get much more for that... however I dont assume that anyone makes an offer sheet for him because of the picks you have to give up.
No... if no one signs them, they go into arbitration and the league steps in and makes a contract that they judge fair for both sides, and they must agree to this contract or else the player becomes un-restricted (need verification on this).

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Boston fans will tell you it'll cost you guys 4 first round picks, because anything under that they'll try to match.

I'll tell you it's impossible, because Ottawa doesn't have anything "low-cost" and valuable to offer (i.e: Prospects), since all their best players are signed to ridiculous long term + expensive contracts (which is counterproductive in this case for the Bruins).

No deal possible? I think so.
This.

In order for a team to beat out Boston on an offer sheet, they need to be in the four 1st rounders for compensation range. Otherwise, Boston can fit the cap in with not much tweaking.

So in order to get him via trade, you would need to offer something along those lines, or an established player with low cost that offsets the value. Ottawa can't produce that.

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Kessel is a great player but I don't think he'd be an ideal fit in Ottawa. Especially not at the salary and compensation required to get him. All we'd be doing is spending a whack of money on 4 players instead of 3 players now and further handcuff the team.

Kessel will most likely remain a Bruin and you'll see other players being shipped out (Ryder?, Fernandez) instead and Boston will keep all their young studs.

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I think Ottawa would be more likely to find secondary scoring at a cheaper price than Kessel.

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Assuming Kessel can't be resigned and needs to be shopped, I can't think of anything we could offer that works for the Bruins. What do you guys think, what would the Bruins accept from Ottawa? Remember, it needs to be a Cap Friendly move for Boston, otherwise they wouldn't be trading Kessel.
Bostons Cap is going to be around 47.6 approximately. I'm thinking that Boston maybe more likely to trade Savard before Kessel and move Kessel or Bergeron into a 1# centers role with the other being the #2. Moving Savard and taking on minimal salary would allow Boston to sign Kessel, Krejci, and a cheap back up goalie.

If Boston was looking to move Savard I hope Ottawa would be interested as he would be a good replacement if they choose to move Spezza.

Now I suspect Boston could get more but what about Auld, Schubert, Zubov for Savard and a 2009 3rd.

Auld provides Boston with a quality back up for 1 year and then they could bring up Rask in 2010/2011 when they have a little more cap room while giving Rask another year to develop.

Schubert is a depth player that can fill Hnidy's spot.

Zubov - Quality prospect.

Boston gains gains between 2 and 3 million in cap space.

Ottawa gains an Ottawa born center who gives them options for either the 1st or
2nd line. Now chances are Boston could bet a better deal than this but hey no harm in trying.

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Bostons Cap is going to be around 47.6 approximately. I'm thinking that Boston maybe more likely to trade Savard before Kessel and move Kessel or Bergeron into a 1# centers role with the other being the #2. Moving Savard and taking on minimal salary would allow Boston to sign Kessel, Krejci, and a cheap back up goalie.

If Boston was looking to move Savard I hope Ottawa would be interested as he would be a good replacement if they choose to move Spezza.

Now I suspect Boston could get more but what about Auld, Schubert, Zubov for Savard and a 2009 3rd.

Auld provides Boston with a quality back up for 1 year and then they could bring up Rask in 2010/2011 when they have a little more cap room while giving Rask another year to develop.

Schubert is a depth player that can fill Hnidy's spot.

Zubov - Quality prospect.

Boston gains gains between 2 and 3 million in cap space.

Ottawa gains an Ottawa born center who gives them options for either the 1st or
2nd line. Now chances are Boston could bet a better deal than this but hey no harm in trying.
Just stop.

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tuuka rask is the bruins backup next year they dont need auld.

its actually possible for boston to sign both krejci and kessel without dumping a top player.

unless someone offers big offer sheets to those players and boston has to match both in that case they may have to trade someone like ryder or sturm along with a guy like ference or ward.

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tuuka rask is the bruins backup next year they dont need auld.

its actually possible for boston to sign both krejci and kessel without dumping a top player.

unless someone offers big offer sheets to those players and boston has to match both in that case they may have to trade someone like ryder or sturm along with a guy like ference or ward.
Rask is at 3.2 cap hit for next season then he is an RFA so I suspect they may want to move some salary. A goalie like Auld on a cheap 1yr 1m contract could really help.

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Rask is at 3.2 cap hit for next season then he is an RFA so I suspect they may want to move some salary. A goalie like Auld on a cheap 1yr 1m contract could really help.
They defer Rasks bonuses to the next season, he backsup Thomas, he doesn't hit those bonuses less he takes the job from Thomas, at which point THomas becomes expendable... and even then, he likely doesn't hit the bonuses.

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Bostons Cap is going to be around 47.6 approximately. I'm thinking that Boston maybe more likely to trade Savard before Kessel and move Kessel or Bergeron into a 1# centers role with the other being the #2. Moving Savard and taking on minimal salary would allow Boston to sign Kessel, Krejci, and a cheap back up goalie.

If Boston was looking to move Savard I hope Ottawa would be interested as he would be a good replacement if they choose to move Spezza.

Now I suspect Boston could get more but what about Auld, Schubert, Zubov for Savard and a 2009 3rd.

Auld provides Boston with a quality back up for 1 year and then they could bring up Rask in 2010/2011 when they have a little more cap room while giving Rask another year to develop.

Schubert is a depth player that can fill Hnidy's spot.

Zubov - Quality prospect.

Boston gains gains between 2 and 3 million in cap space.

Ottawa gains an Ottawa born center who gives them options for either the 1st or
2nd line. Now chances are Boston could bet a better deal than this but hey no harm in trying.
Then why on earth would they even consider it if they could get more. I just don't understand some people. "Here's my trash, now give me your 1st line center"

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I suspect the main asset they would want would be a 1st or volchenkov. I could go 1st '10, 2nd '09, and a player like winchester or zubov, but not much more than that.

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Just stop.
My exact thoughts.

Oh look, a team could be in cap trouble. That means we can get their star players for our garbage.

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Leafs would offer Tomas Kaberle and Lee Stempniak for Kessel and Stuart

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can't they just move sturm? I know he has an NTC but i'm sure he would be amenable to moving some place if the team approached him with the right deal. 3.5 mill cleared, plenty of space for kessel/krejci raises.

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This.

In order for a team to beat out Boston on an offer sheet, they need to be in the four 1st rounders for compensation range. Otherwise, Boston can fit the cap in with not much tweaking.

So in order to get him via trade, you would need to offer something along those lines, or an established player with low cost that offsets the value. Ottawa can't produce that.
Dont forget Krejci is an RFA too..........

As a GM i would give both of them a Offersheet...
Boston can't match both of them and one has to walk for a very low value like two 1st rounders or so.......

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Just stop.
I heard a rumour that Chara would be traded back to Ottawa for Jason Smith

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If Boston did end up moving Kessel one would think it would be out of division and preferably out of conference.

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