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04-05-2009, 02:30 PM
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Latendresse in 2-3 years = Frantzen now

I'd rather have Hossa for the time being.
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Ok, rather then trading for Lecavalier, I'm thinking we can get something (maybe not as good) equally talented and at a cheaper price:

If we don't re-sign Lang and one of Koivu + Kovalev (I'd like to see both come back for 1 more year), we would have enough money to sign Franzen at an above market price (going with the whole "Must pay UFA's more to play in MTL"). Not counting Brisebois, Bouillon and Dandenault contracts that are expiring, we'd have some moving room to re-sign others, maybe give Tanger a new contract and get our RFA's to sign cheap.

I know I am getting way ahead of myself, but bottom line is I'd like to see Habs sign Franzen to a 4.5M-5.5M deal, for 4-5 years. He could be a serviceable 1st line center and move down to 2nd line duty by the time we draft a real 1st line center?

What say?
How does Frazen fill our need for a center?

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Latendresse in 2-3 years = Frantzen now

I'd rather have Hossa for the time being.

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04-05-2009, 02:34 PM
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I would throw a ridiculous amount of money at him.
In bills of course. Throwing bags of loons and toons at him would not be wise if you want a healthy Franzen.

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The guy will be 30 yearl old in December.

In 2005, when he was already 26, he had 12 goals. The following year, he had 10. Third year, he had 38 points...

This year is his FIRST meaningful season.

Lats is only 21, and has already 2 seasons with 17 goals, and he is probably gonna do the same this year with less games played. Both are about the same size and have the same skating speed.

One good playoffs + one good season = no more than 3,8. He certainly better than A.Kost !

But the guy will stay in Detroit.

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Latendresse had 16, 16 and 14 goals in his first three seasons, (including this year)
Franzen had 12, 10, 27 (not including his amazing playoff run).

Franzen played in Europe before coming to the NHL, Europeans take more time to develop than North American players due to adjustments. Franzen's also shown he's more consistent than Lats, who'll go on tears such as the one he's on now for a couple of weeks then disappear the rest of the year.

Franzen is simply more talented than Lats IMO, and Lats will be a 25 goal scorer at BEST, Franzen's already hit 33 and there's no sign of him slowing down.

Maybe that's just my opinion.

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Latendresse had 16, 16 and 14 goals in his first three seasons, (including this year)
Franzen had 12, 10, 27 (not including his amazing playoff run).

Franzen played in Europe before coming to the NHL, Europeans take more time to develop than North American players due to adjustments. Franzen's also shown he's more consistent than Lats, who'll go on tears such as the one he's on now for a couple of weeks then disappear the rest of the year.

Franzen is simply more talented than Lats IMO, and Lats will be a 25 goal scorer at BEST, Franzen's already hit 33 and there's no sign of him slowing down.

Maybe that's just my opinion.
Franzen has Datziuk, Hossa, Zetterberg, among others to play with...

Europeans takes more time to develop ????? Yeah, sure... Ask Ovechkin, Malkin, etc...

Give Latendresse second line duties and meaningful PP time and he will reach 30+ goals easily. He is only 21 too.

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Franzen is also reported to be willing to take less to stay with the wings, or at least that's what some wings fans say.

Hossa might do the same depending on how close the wings get.

If Franzen was available as a FA He'd be on the top of the list, followed be Hossa, then bouwmeester, then Gaborik.

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04-05-2009, 03:13 PM
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Franzen has Datziuk, Hossa, Zetterberg, among others to play with...

Europeans takes more time to develop ????? Yeah, sure... Ask Ovechkin, Malkin, etc...

Give Latendresse second line duties and meaningful PP time and he will reach 30+ goals easily. He is only 21 too.
Other than Ovechkin, Malkin and a few others, yeah.

Latendresse got regular time in the past on the PP and 1st/2nd line and failed to produce past a couple of games, which is why he was taken off.

He is only 21, but his goals are often "garbage" goals as compared to Franzen's.

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I must admit, Lats is improving and I'm getting excited to see him in the playoffs and next season. Seems like he's finally maturing and getting to understand that he plays hockey for a crazy city. And if he doesn't earn the city's respect, he'll get eaten alive.

He's still young and rather fresh. Sure he didn't turn out to be a player that blossomed in his first or second carrier season. But he's improving, which is always great. I currently like his progression over the season. If he starts begin even more agressive, just like the pre-season games that got him to play for us and that the city loved him for. I'll have very big hopes. He's had his ups and downs in the Habs jersey, but it looks like he's getting there, I have hope.

Now, about Franzen, I must admit I hear a lot of good talk about him, seeing those stats posted surprised me a bit. He's a good player, but I don't know anymore ... ><

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Other than Ovechkin, Malkin and a few others, yeah.

Latendresse got regular time in the past on the PP and 1st/2nd line and failed to produce past a couple of games, which is why he was taken off.

He is only 21, but his goals are often "garbage" goals as compared to Franzen's.
So are Franzen's goals. He goes to the net and collects the rebound. Lats has made nice moves too.

I think lats can become a 18-23 goal scorer yearly.

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guys lets just beat up shero for taking hossa at the last second last year...and kidnap malkin (THE WHOLE NHL WORLD would notice crosby missing) and put a paper bag over his head so no one notices and have him play for us instead...sigh at least he's proven right!!!

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I would do unforgivable things to get 1 of :

Gaborik
Hossa
Franzen
Bouwmeester

trade for : vinny or kovalchuk

just get me 1 of these guys and im happy, but i wouldnt mind getting tanguay back
My fantasy land dream off season would be the following :

Trade Kostitsyn*2 + Plecaneck + 1st + 2nd for Lecavlier. Resign Koivu, Kovy, and Tanguay. Bring in Gabby and Hossa in the offseason. Sign a serviceable dman or two.

Lineup:

Hossa-Lecavlier-Gaborik
Tanguay-Koivu-Kovalev
Latandresse-Lapierre-Higgins
Stewart-Metropolit-Laraque

Markov-Komisarek
Hamrlik-Zubov
Georges-Beuchemin/Bouillion

Price
Halak

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My fantasy land dream off season would be the following :

Trade Kostitsyn*2 + Plecaneck + 1st + 2nd for Lecavlier. Resign Koivu, Kovy, and Tanguay. Bring in Gabby and Hossa in the offseason. Sign a serviceable dman or two.

Lineup:

Hossa-Lecavlier-Gaborik
Tanguay-Koivu-Kovalev
Latandresse-Lapierre-Higgins
Stewart-Metropolit-Laraque

Markov-Komisarek
Hamrlik-Zubov
Georges-Beuchemin/Bouillion

Price
Halak
i was going to start screaming cap hit mania and stuff....

but then i noticed the bold.........

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I'd trade for Lecavalier regardless. Then offer great money at Franzen or Hossa, which even the Wings can't afford to keep. Sign Tanguay. Lang? Only if he takes a major pay cut. Instead of overpaying for Bouwmeester, go after cheaper local product Beauchemin.

Where do I get that money from? No Kovalev, no Koivu (although it would hurt me to lose Saku), no Dandenault, no Bouillon, no Brisebois and unfortunately no Schneider.

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So are Franzen's goals. He goes to the net and collects the rebound. Lats has made nice moves too.

I think lats can become a 18-23 goal scorer yearly.
I like Lats, but Franzen is clearly better for now. And Franzen doesn't score just garbage goals.









There are sooo many nice Franzen goals. This is just a small sample. This guy can score in every way possible. I wish somebody would make a compilation.

Franzen is not just a garbage goal scorer.

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Ok, rather then trading for Lecavalier, I'm thinking we can get something (maybe not as good) equally talented and at a cheaper price:

If we don't re-sign Lang and one of Koivu + Kovalev (I'd like to see both come back for 1 more year), we would have enough money to sign Franzen at an above market price (going with the whole "Must pay UFA's more to play in MTL"). Not counting Brisebois, Bouillon and Dandenault contracts that are expiring, we'd have some moving room to re-sign others, maybe give Tanger a new contract and get our RFA's to sign cheap.

I know I am getting way ahead of myself, but bottom line is I'd like to see Habs sign Franzen to a 4.5M-5.5M deal, for 4-5 years. He could be a serviceable 1st line center and move down to 2nd line duty by the time we draft a real 1st line center?

What say?
Too high of a gamble for me. Franzen...5 million for 5 years...I'd pass. I don't think you will see the contracts handed out this summer like other years. Teams are a little concerned because Cap be going down in future. They don't know how much

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I'd trade for Lecavalier regardless. Then offer great money at Franzen or Hossa, which even the Wings can't afford to keep. Sign Tanguay. Lang? Only if he takes a major pay cut. Instead of overpaying for Bouwmeester, go after cheaper local product Beauchemin.

Where do I get that money from? No Kovalev, no Koivu (although it would hurt me to lose Saku), no Dandenault, no Bouillon, no Brisebois and unfortunately no Schneider.
I would resign Schneider, provided it is for around 3 million. We need his offense from the blueline. Lang should be resigned for around 1.5 million. Can't see another team giving Lang big money being 39 and coming off a major injury. Kovalev should be kept around for around 4.5 million. Unless we go after a Gaborik or Havlak. Tanguay resigned...long term for around 5 million

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My fantasy land dream off season would be the following :

Trade Kostitsyn*2 + Plecaneck + 1st + 2nd for Lecavlier. Resign Koivu, Kovy, and Tanguay. Bring in Gabby and Hossa in the offseason. Sign a serviceable dman or two.

Lineup:

Hossa-Lecavlier-Gaborik
Tanguay-Koivu-Kovalev
Latandresse-Lapierre-Higgins
Stewart-Metropolit-Laraque

Markov-Komisarek
Hamrlik-Zubov
Georges-Beuchemin/Bouillion

Price
Halak
If we don't resign Koivu and Komisarek probably could do something like that


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hossa and franzen are both amazing players with size and skill. Either player would help the habs immensely and I dont think the wings will be able to retain both.

Whichever player becomes free, the habs should make a serious pitch for.

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Ok, ok so you guys want to give the moon to Franzen with his only one season of 30 goals and wanted to throw Ryder under a bus with his 2 x 30 goals seasons ?

Am-I correct ?

I am not that high on Franzen, he is ok but no way i would give more than 4 millions to him.

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I'd trade for Lecavalier regardless. Then offer great money at Franzen or Hossa, which even the Wings can't afford to keep. Sign Tanguay. Lang? Only if he takes a major pay cut. Instead of overpaying for Bouwmeester, go after cheaper local product Beauchemin.

Where do I get that money from? No Kovalev, no Koivu (although it would hurt me to lose Saku), no Dandenault, no Bouillon, no Brisebois and unfortunately no Schneider.
What about Komo? If you don't plan on signing him and your letting 4 other d-man walk who do you expect to replace them? I would love to see your projected lineup for next year after the Lecavalier trade

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What?! You people would throw ridiculous amount at Franzen?!?

I know the guy can stand in front of a goal, but he's far from our superstar and would definately wouldn't be as effective in our system.

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What?! You people would throw ridiculous amount at Franzen?!?

I know the guy can stand in front of a goal, but he's far from our superstar and would definately wouldn't be as effective in our system.
He's not a superstar but he is far better than a guy like Holmstrom. Franzen can really snipe the puck and slap it, too. The guy is ridiculously fast for somebody his size. He is really strong on the puck and he handles it marvelously. Franzen's ability to screen the goalie is only a small part of his repertoire.

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Franzen's only had one really good offensive year. Last year he had 38 points. That's while playing on one of the best offensive teams in the game. Remember Zubrus playing with Ovechkin a few years back? Well, he now has a long term contract getting paid big money and scoring 38 points a season

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Franzen's only had one really good offensive year. Last year he had 38 points. That's while playing on one of the best offensive teams in the game. Remember Zubrus playing with Ovechkin a few years back? Well, he's now getting paid around 5 million and scoring 14 goals a season
Franzen scored 27 goals last year, most of them at the end of the year. Since the end of the last year, he's been on fire. He's scored 33 goals this year.

Also, Zubrus makes 3.4 million and most Devils fans are okay with this considering the physical presence he brings. Not to mention he plays well with Elias.

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Johan Franzen is for real IMO. Of course he came to the NHL and took 2-3 years before becoming what he is today, but look at Mark Streit.

Johan Franzen has potential to become a top 10 center in the league, top 20 player in the NHL.

I'd give him 6-6.5 millions.

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