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04-05-2009, 06:24 PM
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No way...5 million for a guy who's averaged 38 points over his career. Pass...
Look at the big picture. He's only been in the league a few years and he's steadily improving. His talent is far more than that of some 38 point journeyman and his production over the past 82 games far surpasses 38 points.

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No way...5 million for a guy who's averaged 38 points over his career. Pass...

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Look at the big picture. He's only been in the league a few years and he's steadily improving. His talent is far more than that of some 38 point journeyman and his production over the past 82 games far surpasses 38 points.
Look at the real big picture...it is his contract year. Throwing big, long term money at a player who's had one decent season in his contract year is too risky.

Cap set to go way down in a year's time. Teams won't be throwing contracts around this summer like past years. Be many good short term deals out there, don't jump too quick on first UFA that comes along and way over pay. Might be the odd team with a few bucks to over pay this summer but most will be frugal

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Isn't he a winger ? I would throw and offersheet to Krejci though.

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I don't think you will see the contracts handed out this summer like other years. Teams are a little concerned because Cap be going down in future. They don't know how much
And then everyone is still going to come on here July 01 and act all surprised when it happens.

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Look at the real big picture...it is his contract year. Throwing big, long term money at a player who's had one decent season in his contract year is too risky.

Cap set to go way down in a year's time. Teams won't be throwing contracts around this summer like past years. Be many good short term deals out there, don't jump too quick on first UFA that comes along and way over pay. Might be the odd team with a few bucks to over pay this summer but most will be frugal
The Islanders threw big money at Streit and it worked. Franzen is not the type of guy who is about the money. In fact, he's pretty much said he will take a pay cut to stay in Detroit. If by some chance he becomes available because Detroit chooses to keep Hossa, then we know this guy isn't about the money and he won't perform only in contract years.

As for the cap going down, that's a concern. But Vinny has a giant contract and most people are happy to take him own, me included. Franzen would be a backup to failing to acquire Vinny.

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04-05-2009, 06:48 PM
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Isn't he a winger ? I would throw and offersheet to Krejci though.
That would really be good one to get over on Bruins. Lose a good player like that...good thinking. Offer Krejci around 4 million a season, be hard for B's to match. They won't have much caproom as it is. Thomas set to go way up next season, they also have to give big bucks for Kessel. The following season cap set to go down and the Lucic will be up for the big bucks. They could be in a mess.

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Isn't he a winger ? I would throw and offersheet to Krejci though.
Could swear I've seen him listed as both, but I don't recall where I saw "centre." Maybe I'm going senile seriously early.

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Franzen will have to a real big pay cut to stay in Detroit. Unless they don't get Hossa resigned. They don't have much caproom either. Some of these clubs which handed big long term deals back when things were booming could have worked their team into a real bind for next few seasons.

I'd imagine there will be at least one club which offer Franzen a nice contract. Some teams have cap space for future years.

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He is only 21, but his goals are often "garbage" goals as compared to Franzen's.
Not to mention they're leagues apart in skating ability. That's probably what sets them apart more than anything.

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I'd trade for Lecavalier regardless. Then offer great money at Franzen or Hossa, which even the Wings can't afford to keep. Sign Tanguay. Lang? Only if he takes a major pay cut. Instead of overpaying for Bouwmeester, go after cheaper local product Beauchemin.

Where do I get that money from? No Kovalev, no Koivu (although it would hurt me to lose Saku), no Dandenault, no Bouillon, no Brisebois and unfortunately no Schneider.
almost the smartest post uve ever made, but id take kovy at 2 years 7 mill , but he wont :/

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almost the smartest post uve ever made, but id take kovy at 2 years 7 mill , but he wont :/
Franzen, Lecavalier, Hossa. And sign the main UFA's.

Can someone send me to the NHL link that reports the salary cap rising to $65M. I must have missed that.

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We'll have to get rid of Koivu first. He has a "no Swede clause" in his contract.

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If there was some way to replace Kovalev with Hossa, I would do it.
Dear god, no. Please tell mean you meant "Koivu".

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Nope, we need defense.

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Dear god, no. Please tell mean you meant "Koivu".
Last time I checked, Koivu was a center. Hossa can't really replace a center when he's a right wing.

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Last time I checked, Koivu was a center. Hossa can't really replace a center when he's a right wing.
My point was that getting rid of Kovalev is a terrible idea.

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Could swear I've seen him listed as both, but I don't recall where I saw "centre." Maybe I'm going senile seriously early.
He was drafted as a center but moved to wing I think. I'm pretty sure he's played left wing most of the time since his breakout and definitely this year were Datsyuk and Zetterberg or Filppula center the 1st and 2nd lines for most of the year.

Its a bit risky to wish for him to translate his game back to center.

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My point was that getting rid of Kovalev is a terrible idea.
Hossa is better and more consistent than Kovalev. If they can't get Hossa, obviously Kovalev is a good option. But Hossa is simply the better player.

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Isn't he a winger ? I would throw and offersheet to Krejci though.
Franzen plays all forward positions. He's

And he isn't going anywhere. His agent mentioned that's he's taking a home discount, and that the cap hit will be around 3.5 million.

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Does that mean we go for Hossa then?

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Franzen plays all forward positions.

And he isn't going anywhere. /thread
Yup. Franzen can play any position. He's very good at face-offs. Right now, he plays LW on Datsyuk's line.

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I'd trade for Lecavalier regardless. Then offer great money at Franzen or Hossa, which even the Wings can't afford to keep. Sign Tanguay. Lang? Only if he takes a major pay cut. Instead of overpaying for Bouwmeester, go after cheaper local product Beauchemin.

Where do I get that money from? No Kovalev, no Koivu (although it would hurt me to lose Saku), no Dandenault, no Bouillon, no Brisebois and unfortunately no Schneider.
We could keep Schneider and Lang for cheap and I don't see Tanguay asking for the moon. Also, I suggest trading Hammer(5.5) in the off season.

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Franzen plays all forward positions. He's

And he isn't going anywhere. His agent mentioned that's he's taking a home discount, and that the cap hit will be around 3.5 million.
I highly doubt he will sing for anything close to a 3.5 mil cap hit...at the minimum it will be 4.5 on a 5-6 year deal...more if it's a 3-4 year deal. My guess is he signs for 20 mil 4 years.

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We could keep Schneider and Lang for cheap and I don't see Tanguay asking for the moon. Also, I suggest trading Hammer(5.5) in the off season.
Why would we trade Hamrlik? Yeah he probably makes a few thousand too many, but it's not like we can use that 5.5 on Bouwmeester. JB will end up with a team like Toronto for some obscene amount like 7 or 7.5 mil.

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