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04-05-2009, 01:56 PM
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(Offseason) Philadelphia-Minnesota

Okay, I'm bored and figured why not, makes some sense.

To Philadelphia: 2nd 10 (Minny doesn't have a 2nd in 09)

To Minnesota: Joffrey Lupul

Why Philadelphia does it: The Flyers don't have a 2nd this year, next year, or the year after that. The second round is a very important round when you might be able to snag that talented yet underachieving player who blossoms into a star player. They get cap relief for the future, and it opens up a roster spot for one of Nodl or JVR.

Why Minnesota does it: Let's face it, after Gaborik leaves, their offense is going to be anemic. They're already 4th to last in goals, and it's going to get worse when Gaborik leaves. I realize with the system they have they don't need to score much, but they do need to score. They currently have two legitimate top 6 forwards (Koivu, Bouchard) and a bunch of below average 2nd liners and 3rd liners. The pipeline doesn't look to have much in store either. They get a guy who has good speed and has shown that he can be a solid contributor on offense, being a 3 time 20 goal scorer. He might not fit into Minnesota's system perfectly, but he would help on offense.

I think a trade between these two can work, whether it's picks, roster players, or maybe even Harding.


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Let's face it, after Gaborik leaves, their offense is going to be anemic.
Gaborik is going to leave ?

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Hasn't Lupul been close to invisible to the last few weeks?

I don't know if he gets a second from a talent-deprived organization from Minnesota, frankly.

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Would probably have to take a player from the Wild, not draft picks.

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Lupul is worth a mid to late 1st, just look at what some other players returned as picks. He's a legit 2nd line winger and his contract is about on par with other of his ilk.

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Gaborik is going to leave ?
Do you really think he wants to go back? I would be extremely surprised if he re-signed in Minnesota.

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I think he may go back if he doesn't get a offer he likes. He had a chance for $8M guaranteed in the summer, I think he may want that choice back.

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Hasn't Lupul been close to invisible to the last few weeks?

I don't know if he gets a second from a talent-deprived organization from Minnesota, frankly.
He's our 7th best forward:
Richards
Carter
Gagne
Briere
Giroux
Hartnell
Lupul
Knuble

And how has he been invisible? Have you watched Flyers games? He goes through spurts, but he's no more inconsistent than any 50p forward in the NHL. That includes players like Staal, Kunitz, etc. Would you take "just a 2nd" for either of those 2?

No? Then keep your ridiculous theories to yourself.

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Lupul is worth a mid to late 1st, just look at what some other players returned as picks. He's a legit 2nd line winger and his contract is about on par with other of his ilk.
Legit 1st line on nearly 1/2 the NHL teams by the way.

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Legit 1st line on nearly 1/2 the NHL teams by the way.
Let's not get carried away.

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I don't think many teams are going to to want to touch Lupul's contract heading into cap uncertainty, especially when they know that Philly will almost assuredly be desperate to dump him.

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Okay, I'm bored and figured why not, makes some sense.

To Philadelphia: 2nd 10 (Minny doesn't have a 2nd in 09)

To Minnesota: Joffrey Lupul

Why Philadelphia does it: The Flyers don't have a 2nd this year, next year, or the year after that. The second round is a very important round when you might be able to snag that talented yet underachieving player who blossoms into a star player. They get cap relief for the future, and it opens up a roster spot for one of Nodl or JVR.

Why Minnesota does it: Let's face it, after Gaborik leaves, their offense is going to be anemic. They're already 4th to last in goals, and it's going to get worse when Gaborik leaves. I realize with the system they have they don't need to score much, but they do need to score. They currently have two legitimate top 6 forwards (Koivu, Bouchard) and a bunch of below average 2nd liners and 3rd liners. The pipeline doesn't look to have much in store either. They get a guy who has good speed and has shown that he can be a solid contributor on offense, being a 3 time 20 goal scorer. He might not fit into Minnesota's system perfectly, but he would help on offense.

I think a trade between these two can work, whether it's picks, roster players, or maybe even Harding.
you stole my idea from the Flyers board!

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Legit 1st line on nearly 1/2 the NHL teams by the way.
Lupul is not a first line winger on most teams. name me 15 teams that he would be a first line winger on. He is a streaky goal scorer who brings little else to the table when hes not scoring goals. He has a terrible contract as well starting next season.

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Legit 1st line on nearly 1/2 the NHL teams by the way.
Let's not overrate him here. He's at the best a 2nd liner, or a 1st liner on a really crappy, or injury-depleted team.

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I'd rather trade Lupul for Harding at the draft.

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He's our 7th best forward:
Richards
Carter
Gagne
Briere
Giroux
Hartnell
Lupul
Knuble

And how has he been invisible? Have you watched Flyers games? He goes through spurts, but he's no more inconsistent than any 50p forward in the NHL. That includes players like Staal, Kunitz, etc. Would you take "just a 2nd" for either of those 2?

No? Then keep your ridiculous theories to yourself.
I'm not the one making any theories here.

A simple skim of the Flyers board would indicate that some fans are pretty unhappy with Lupul's play.

(Yes, I have watched Flyers games lately)

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I'm not sure he lands a 2nd, way too streaky IMO.

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I'm not sure he lands a 2nd, way too streaky IMO.
Lupul and a 2012 2nd(we still have that 2nd right?) to Minnesota for Josh Harding

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For a 2nd, the Wild SHOULD jump on it.

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Hasn't Lupul been close to invisible to the last few weeks?

I don't know if he gets a second from a talent-deprived organization from Minnesota, frankly.
He's scored a couple goals (3-4), not been too bad. Flyers fans want Lupul gone only because we're in a cap-crunch, not because he sucks

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Why Minnesota does it: Let's face it, after Gaborik leaves, their offense is going to be anemic. They're already 4th to last in goals, and it's going to get worse when Gaborik leaves.
It's going to get worse when Gaborik leaves? For all intents and purposes, this year he hasn't been there - it won't get worse, it will stay the same as this year.

He's contributed a whooping 9 goals this year. Without him, Minnesota would have 0.07 goals/game less.

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I'm perfectly happy with keeping Lupul and dropping Jones or Carle instead. I'm probably the minority among Flyers fans, but 20+ goals isn't enough to cut it with the Flyers anymore.

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Look, Lupul is both younger and better than RJ Umberger and he was traded for a 1st last year (19th overall). He'll reach 25+ goals in a season for the 2nd time in his forst 5 seasons and withing 2 years he should be a 30 goal scorer. That's a good 2nd line wing right now with the potential to develope into either one of the better 2nd line wings or a low end 1st line wing. 4 mil is about the going rate for such a player and if you don't think he would return a 1st then I don't know what to tell you, you can easily find similar players that returned a 1st in a trade.

Also, we have an aweful lot of high priced contracts. We have some quality young players still on entry level contracts who are playing well and we get more bang for the buck out of. It's not that we dislike Lupul or his contract, it's just that next year JVR should be able to put up about 75% of Lupuls product even as a rookie and he'd be about a mil cheaper. Every after next JVR should close the gap between the 2 and quickly surpass Lupul and STILL be cheaper. Again, it's not that there is anything wrong with Lupul but if you have the chance to have JVR at 3 mil or Lupul at 4 mil and you only have room on the roster for one (let alone the cap space), I think EVERYONE would choose JVR. That's what's driving this for most Philly fans.


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Lupul is a more talented player than RJ Umberger, but unlike Joffrey Lupul, Umberger worked hard every shift, which makes him a much better player in my book. I'll take Umberger and his contract over Lupul and his incoming contract any day.

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It's going to get worse when Gaborik leaves? For all intents and purposes, this year he hasn't been there - it won't get worse, it will stay the same as this year.

He's contributed a whooping 9 goals this year. Without him, Minnesota would have 0.07 goals/game less.
And it looks like the Wild will be missing the playoffs, after making them last year WITH Gaborik scoring 42 goals and 83 points for them, so I don't see how they didn't get worse. If you don't think that they could use some more offensive players then you are delusional. And a 2nd round pick for a player like Lupul is good value, especially when you have the cap space to do so.

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