Staal has more value do to his defensive game and his playoff experience.
One could make the argument that both of their upsides offset each other. But being as Staal is now starting to take off since his line is being put into a more offensive role, and if his play continues through the playoffs, then his value goes up.
If it were straight-up, the Shero never does it as this trade would not do anything more than what we are already sitting on. Adding a first rounder would be something to think about, be even then, it doesn't help us now.
the problem with the trade is that there's no reason for either team to do it. Presumably both teams really like each of their players (I know that the oilers are very high on Gagner, I assume that the Pens feel similarly about Staal) From an Edmonton perspective the only way they are likely to move Gagner is as part of a huge move, Staal isn't that, and as has been mentioned before, the pens are in no position where they have need or desire to move Staal. All these proposals where people figure they know that one person who can fix all the teams problems so i'll throw some names out there and argue that it's a great deal are so silly, there's much more to making a trade than simply names. Team needs, team wants, contract situations, situations with individual players etc etc.
Shero would be an absolute fool to turn down the deal in the OP.
The Oilers are still looking at a top 10 pick this season.
Straight up is a reasonable deal. Either Shero or Tambo could ask the other guy to throw in a 4th or 5th rounder and not be completely off-base.
Stall's contract doesn't appear to be a particularly good one. $4M a year for the next four years.
Gagner + a 1st for Staal would be one of the most lopsided trades in league history.
It gives the Pens 3 scoring centers once again. Gagner is having a hard time fitting into the center position.
Edmonton needs scoring wingers more than they need an upgrade at center. This deal would put Horcoff at 2nd line center to work with who? Penner and O'Sullivan and then put who at 1st line center with them? We'd eat 3 mill cap space and wouldn't be able to afford to lock up a goalie and a 1st line center to play with them. Put Horcoff with Penner and Nilson? That line reeks of inconsistancy if you ask me.
O'Sullivan-Staal-Hemsky would be a very intriguing 1st line... I just don't see us any better off on the 2nd line unless Eberle is ready for the NHL... and one of Penner, Cogliano, Nilson or O'Sullivan have to play well on their off wing to make this line work.
Pittsburgh would have no need for Gagner even if he completely fulfills his potential. The same can't be said for Staal.
I really don't see how a mid-round first is supposed to push the value of the Oilers package far above Staal either.
Actually, you couldnt be further from the truth. Gagner is EXACTLY the type of player the Pens need on Malkins wing, however the Pens then don't have anyone to go up against the other teams top line.
Also, there is no way that Edm includes their 1st in this player swap. The 2 players are close in ability and I do feel that a little more needs to go back to the Pens but certainly NOT a 1st unless the Pens are including their 2nd and 3rd.
[QUOTE=thadd;18909395]It gives the Pens 3 scoring centers once again. Gagner is having a hard time fitting into the center position.[QUOTE]Have you ever heard of a sophmore jinx?
Jordan Staal went through it
18 years old 81GP 29G 13A 42Pts
19 years old 82GP 12G 16A 28Pts
Now Gagner is going through it
18 years old 79GP 13G 36A 49Pts
19 years old 73GP 16G 25A 41Pts
No freaking way does Edmonton do this deal straight up, let alone add a 1st round pick.
From a Pittsburgh side they probably wouldnt do the deal straight up either
from a third party perspective, if you changed the 1st from edmonton to a 2nd it's a pretty solid trade in terms of value, one of the better ones for Staal i think i've seen...but centres dont often get traded for other centres in this league. Staal would no doubt thrive in Edmonton's system, but i think the Pens would miss Staal's defensive presence.