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04-06-2009, 08:39 PM
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Detroit-Montreal (Offseason)

Jaroslav Halak

Valtteri Filppula

I'm bored, and I'm switching back and forth between the Habs and Wings games, so it got me thinking.

Any feedback? This could be just the base of a trade. If any levelers need to be added, then fine.

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04-06-2009, 08:42 PM
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i think thats pretty good.. maybe detroit could throw in conklin and habs throw in a 3rd., or 4th just so the habs have a backup..

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Sounds fair. I'm not sure if Halak is the answer for Detroit though.

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04-06-2009, 08:43 PM
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I dont see Detroit trading Filp. But if we did it would not be for a goalie. We have 3 great goalie prospects at the moment.

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04-06-2009, 08:54 PM
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I dont see Detroit trading Filp. But if we did it would not be for a goalie. We have 3 great goalie prospects at the moment.
Holland has never shown any hesitation towards adding organizational depth at any position, has he?

Plus, Halak's more of a sure thing than Howard, McCullom, or any other prospect in the Detroit system.

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ehh, I feel like Detroit has the depth at goalie for the long-term. Possibly a FA signing like a Clemmenson or someone like that who could get them through another year and play 50-60 games so Howard can get some time.

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04-06-2009, 09:01 PM
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Holland has never shown any hesitation towards adding organizational depth at any position, has he?

Plus, Halak's more of a sure thing than Howard, McCullom, or any other prospect in the Detroit system.
We will have Howard be the wings backup next season and McCollum(08 1st rounder) and Larson (AHL all-star) in Grand Rapids. If Holland makes a trade it will be a for a pick or a prospect who wont be in the NHL for a few years, we don't even have room for our own prospects now. We don't have room in Grand Rapids for another goalie, but switch Halak with a good prospect on offense or defense, I can see this happening.

Players Detroit can give up:
one of Lebda/Meech or both
Hudler
Rights to Franzen or Hossa

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04-06-2009, 10:48 PM
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We will have Howard be the wings backup next season
Jesus..

I've been hearing this since 2005-06.

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Jesus..

I've been hearing this since 2005-06.
Except now he cant be sent down to Grand Rapids.. He either makes the Wings next season or he's gone..

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Jesus..

I've been hearing this since 2005-06.
But he can't be sent down to the AHL next season, so it's make the team, or get traded. And I doubt that Detroit waives him.

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Jaroslav Halak

Valtteri Filppula

I'm bored, and I'm switching back and forth between the Habs and Wings games, so it got me thinking.

Any feedback? This could be just the base of a trade. If any levelers need to be added, then fine.
There are other goalies who I feel are better than Halak I think the Wings could get for Filppula (Hiller, Harding for example). If Holland goes for a goalie, I think he'll save his bullets for a deadline deal for Luongo if the Canucks haven't re-signed him by then.

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04-07-2009, 02:19 AM
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We will have Howard be the wings backup next season and McCollum(08 1st rounder) and Larson (AHL all-star) in Grand Rapids. If Holland makes a trade it will be a for a pick or a prospect who wont be in the NHL for a few years, we don't even have room for our own prospects now. We don't have room in Grand Rapids for another goalie, but switch Halak with a good prospect on offense or defense, I can see this happening.

Players Detroit can give up:
one of Lebda/Meech or both
Hudler
Rights to Franzen or Hossa
Is McCollum old enough to play in the AHL next year?


EDIT: Yes he is, as he will be 20 before the 31st of Dec.

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There are other goalies who I feel are better than Halak I think the Wings could get for Filppula (Hiller, Harding for example). If Holland goes for a goalie, I think he'll save his bullets for a deadline deal for Luongo if the Canucks haven't re-signed him by then.
Luongo?

Good luck fitting that team under the salary cap if you want to re-sign him.

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04-07-2009, 01:06 PM
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Habs fan, I would trade Halak for Meech + pick.

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There are other goalies who I feel are better than Halak I think the Wings could get for Filppula (Hiller, Harding for example).
This.

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Habs fan, I would trade Halak for Meech + pick.
For a 3rd/4th with meech would be about right imo...

However arent Howard and halak the same age. Fairly comparable all in all with a edge to halak in the NHL obviously. I personally see them as fairly comparable options. Howard more upside Halak more consistency.

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Luongo?

Good luck fitting that team under the salary cap if you want to re-sign him.
Assuming both Hossa and Franzen dont agree to paycuts, and they only sign Franzen [rumored 3 and a half a year over 3-4 years]. The wings will go into next season, if they JUST sign who they ahve with 3-4 mil in cap space.

After next season, Lidstrom's Contract is up, and you can guarantee he wont take almost 7 again. So save 2-3 mil on him [I am gonna guess 2 years 8 mil]. Maltby, Draper, Osgood all come off the books. Thats another 3 mil saved there. Thier replacements will already be on the roster [Helm, Lieno, Abkdelkader] and Money already aloted. So you add 2-3 replacements/rookies/depth guys for 1-2 mil total.

Fact is, Detroit could very well go into the "cap hell" season [read: the year the cap may drop] shedding nearly 10 mil on salary before adding people they need, with thier top 6 already set.

That said, all this is moot, They wont sign Luongo, lol.

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That said, all this is moot, They wont sign Luongo, lol.
That' what people said about Hossa last year too. I know the wings won't get Luongo, but you never know what might happen. It's possible Lidstrom retires after his contract is up. 7.45 million right there. (I doubt he retires though)

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That' what people said about Hossa last year too. I know the wings won't get Luongo, but you never know what might happen. It's possible Lidstrom retires after his contract is up. 7.45 million right there. (I doubt he retires though)
If he retires they aren't nearly as big a threat, with or without Luongo

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I think the value is more bang on than people seem to think, but regardless there is not much point to it from a Habs pov...

flippula is a good player, but montreal already has a 25 year old, smallish 2nd line centre putting up 40ish points in Plekanec, and he's much cheaper.

Halak is a guy that has absolutely dominated at the AHL level, and played very well thus far at the NHL level (.914 sv% and 30 wins in 56 games). He is clearly well ahead of Howard or any other of the wings goalie prospects as far as proven performance and potential, and I don't doubt that Holland would prefer going into next season with Halak/Osgood or Halak/Howard than Osgood/Howard.

"Back-up" goalies don't seem to garner much in trades, so getting Flippula back might represent the best the habs could hope for, but given that, they are much better off keeping Halak until they have no choice but to move him... might as well have the insurance policy in case Price's apparent lifestyle problems and his inconsistency don't get resolved.
We can wait to move Halak until we absolutely have to (impending UFA status), and at that point trade for pics/prospects, hopefully get someone to bite the way the leafs did with Toskala (and so far, Halak's been better than Toskala was in SJ...)

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Jaroslav Halak : 34GP 18W 14L 1OTL 2.86AVG .915Save%

He isn't bad... even better than Price this season, personally i would keep him with the Habs because i am still not sure about Price.

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If he retires they aren't nearly as big a threat, with or without Luongo
i don't know about that. I can't see them losing any ground in that scenario.

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I know it's risky, but I'm more interested in the rights to Franzen than Filppula

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That' what people said about Hossa last year too. I know the wings won't get Luongo, but you never know what might happen. It's possible Lidstrom retires after his contract is up. 7.45 million right there. (I doubt he retires though)
Oh if the posts go back, i posted on this forum that dont be shocked if Detroit signed Hossa.

I wasnt shocked at all. He wanted to come here at the deadline, he "rumored" to tell people he wanted to come here during the hand shake after the finals.

it seemed a forgone conclusion in my eyes.

Detroit has too many High impact prospects in goal. 2 more After Howard. They will exhaust those before throwing 5-6 mil at a goaltender again.

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I know it's risky, but I'm more interested in the rights to Franzen than Filppula
Wow, youve got the eye.

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