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04-07-2009, 05:08 PM
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I probably should have elaborated on what I said about your first proposal, I suppose. I'd just be worried that we'd be trading for a guy with only a year left on his contract, who might want to leave for nothing. If we could trade Kaberle for Savard and extend Savard's contract on the same day, I'd be all for it.
I agree, Toronto would need to be able to resign Savard. I think he's worth around $6.5 million a year or so.

I was thinking the Bruins might be willing to part with Savard in the offseason because many people don't seem to think he will be resigned here in Boston. From a fan's point of view the Bruins right now have 2 centers that are on the smallish side in Krejci and Savard but they are both fantastic playmakers.

This is something that is noticeable playing a team like Philadelphia or Washington that are just big teams. The Bruins still compete well against those teams but I think they are the two toughest matchups for us in the East.

It might not be a good idea to mess with something that isn't broken since the Bruins have a great offense and great chemistry this year. The chemistry issue was talked about so much at the trading deadline. In the offseason the Bruins would probably be more likely to part with an important player.

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Following the Kings as closely as I do (I work about 10 minutes from the Staples center), I don't think there is any chance of them making that kind of move. Lombardi has got as clear as mandate as any GM in the league and total control. The Kings are also drawing pretty well and are in no rush in their development.

If they did make a move, it would be closer to the kind of deals the BJs have made over the years - trading a pick for a youngish vet who can step in and stay under contract for years.

Put simply, the Leafs have no chance whatsoever of getting that pick without putting prime young assets (i.e., Schenn) on the table.
Just for your information, this year the leafs were offered a top 5 pick for SCHENN, and the Leafs denied it. So, yea, thats a HELL NO from us.

As far as Kaberle, if he gets traded, it will be for a Mid 1st, a Mid prospect and a young roster player in return. I am also certain that he could be traded straight up for a 5-7 pick.


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Just for your information, this year the leafs were offered a top 5 pick for SCHENN, and the Leafs denied it. So, yea, thats a HELL NO from us.

As far as Kaberle, if he gets traded, it will be for a Mid 1st, a Mid prospect and a young roster player in return. I am also certain that he could be traded straight up for a 5-7 pick.

Incorrect. Burke CLAIMS that the Leafs were offered a POTENTIAL top five pick back in Feb. Since the draft order wasn't close to being finished yet, you don't know where that pick would be right now. For all you know, it was a team like Ottawa that was top five pick at the time but is not going to be closer to the 10 or 11.

Also, you'll note that I never said the Leafs would offer Schenn for LA's first. I said it was the kind of return that LA would need to make the deal.

The "I am also certain that Kaberle could return a 5-7 pick" is the part of your post that I find to be the biggest reach. Given that similar dmen (like Boyle) failed to return anything close to that kind fo value, I think your expectations are more than a little optimistic.

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He should be at least worth a 15-30 1st round pick, but just MHO. Maybe 20-30 would be more reasonable.

He hasn't had a good year, he's been injured. On the right squad he'll be good again.

As much as we Leaf fans over-value him, there are many other NHL fans who under-value him. You're not going to find a player with that skill-set and earning such a bargain of a salary who can give you the type of production that Kaberle can.
I can...... his name is Mark Streit

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I can...... his name is Mark Streit
And they aren't interested in trading him.

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And they aren't interested in trading him.
very true buddy but he just asked for us to "find" one and I just wanted to be helpful

I still think you're the closest in assessing Tomas value

my original Idea of NJ 1st. Bergfors and Corrente is pretty good

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very true buddy but he just asked for us to "find" one and I just wanted to be helpful

I still think you're the closest in assessing Tomas value

my original Idea of NJ 1st. Bergfors and Corrente is pretty good
And I don't think you'd find a Leaf fan that finds that package unreasonable.

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my original Idea of NJ 1st. Bergfors and Corrente is pretty good
Yup, something like that would be reasonable. Like we were into earlier in the thread, Burke might prefer more established players, but that's a good deal.

Edit: But yeah, Streit reminds me this year of Kaberle in his breakout season. He's been a real revelation for the Islanders, they really lucked out in getting him. To think Hainsey and Redden were the other prizes last summer...

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And they aren't interested in trading him.

The probably would, if they could get the return some Leaf fans are expecting for Kaberle.

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Toronto fans may not like this but I would suggest Edmonton tries to deal for Kaberle...

I know his cap hit is just slightly over 4 million, am I right?

Well since they are in rebuild mode, could I suggest that Edmonton swing a deal with the Leafs involving:

Tom Gilbert (still has tons of potential, size, puck moving ability, PK/PP already playing in a top 4 role and is young, signed long term)

Andrew Cogliano (Torontonians should know what they're getting here, speed, skill, goal scoring ability & heart)

And maybe throw in a 1st round pick, or Bobby Nilsson + a 2nd?

So the deal would be,

to Toronto: Gilbert, Cogliano + 1st round pick (2010/2011)

or Gilbert, Cogliano + Robert Nilsson + 2nd round pick (09/10)

to Edmonton: Tomas Kaberle


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Yup, something like that would be reasonable. Like we were into earlier in the thread, Burke might prefer more established players, but that's a good deal.

Edit: But yeah, Streit reminds me this year of Kaberle in his breakout season. He's been a real revelation for the Islanders, they really lucked out in getting him. To think Hainsey and Redden were the other prizes last summer...
between you and me I cant see taking more established players. MLSE is as bad as Dolan and co. Leaf fans for all the greif the Idiot fringe brings to the fanbase are actually pretty savvy. the Idiots tend to make the vast majority look worse than they should. and as a result MLSE gets away with the myth that the fans will not accept a true rebuild. The truth is Real Leaf fans want a true rebuild so that they can build an Emotional identification with the players and get out of this endless mediocrity loop. so to me I think if thats what Burke is doing I think its a mistake. I think making the playoffs in 2 years at the expense of growing a solid foundation is a mistake and it smacks of MLSE looking at the balance sheet above the best interests of the fans

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between you and me I cant see taking more established players. MLSE is as bad as Dolan and co. Leaf fans for all the greif the Idiot fringe brings to the fanbase are actually pretty savvy. the Idiots tend to make the vast majority look worse than they should. and as a result MLSE gets away with the myth that the fans will not accept a true rebuild. The truth is Real Leaf fans want a true rebuild so that they can build an Emotional identification with the players and get out of this endless mediocrity loop. so to me I think if thats what Burke is doing I think its a mistake. I think making the playoffs in 2 years at the expense of growing a solid foundation is a mistake and it smacks of MLSE looking at the balance sheet above the best interests of the fans
I don't know about that. When I say more established players I mean 2nd or 3rd year pros, so the two aren't mutually exclusive. A player like Fleischmann or Laich would be the best example, in that they're young enough to stick through a rebuild, but with some upside, and less risk.

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So the deal would be,

to Toronto: Gilbert, Cogliano + 1st round pick (2010/2011)

or Gilbert, Cogliano + Robert Nilsson + 2nd round pick (09/10)

to Edmonton: Tomas Kaberle
Leafs fans would love that deal, but I don't think Edmonton needs Kaberle.

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Toronto fans may not like this but I would suggest Edmonton tries to deal for Kaberle...

I know his cap hit is just slightly over 4 million, am I right?

Well since they are in rebuild mode, could I suggest that Edmonton swing a deal with the Leafs involving:

Tom Gilbert (still has tons of potential, size, puck moving ability, PK/PP already playing in a top 4 role and is young, signed long term)

Andrew Cogliano (Torontonians should know what they're getting here, speed, skill, goal scoring ability & heart)

And maybe throw in a 1st round pick, or Bobby Nilsson + a 2nd?

So the deal would be,

to Toronto: Gilbert, Cogliano + 1st round pick (2010/2011)

or Gilbert, Cogliano + Robert Nilsson + 2nd round pick (09/10)

to Edmonton: Tomas Kaberle
That is a great deal. I would rather prefer the 1st. anyways, this kind of offer should be enough for burke to swing the deal. Good proposal.

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Toronto fans may not like this but I would suggest Edmonton tries to deal for Kaberle...

I know his cap hit is just slightly over 4 million, am I right?

Well since they are in rebuild mode, could I suggest that Edmonton swing a deal with the Leafs involving:

Tom Gilbert (still has tons of potential, size, puck moving ability, PK/PP already playing in a top 4 role and is young, signed long term)

Andrew Cogliano (Torontonians should know what they're getting here, speed, skill, goal scoring ability & heart)

And maybe throw in a 1st round pick, or Bobby Nilsson + a 2nd?

So the deal would be,

to Toronto: Gilbert, Cogliano + 1st round pick (2010/2011)

or Gilbert, Cogliano + Robert Nilsson + 2nd round pick (09/10)

to Edmonton: Tomas Kaberle
Both of these options are very acceptable, although I am leaning a bit more toward the one involving the 1st round pick even though it's in the 2010/2011 draft.

Excellent job!

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very true buddy but he just asked for us to "find" one and I just wanted to be helpful

I still think you're the closest in assessing Tomas value

my original Idea of NJ 1st. Bergfors and Corrente is pretty good
I think your proposal is quite good. It seems to fit previous speculation as to T. Kaberle's worth in trade.

Nice job!

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Toronto: Gilbert, Cogliano + 1st round pick (2010/2011)
this is the best proposal i think i can realistically see happening. I totally would not mind Gilbert, obviously Cogliano would have to verbally agree to sign once he got traded here and his speed would fit nicely into our system i imagine, although it would be better if the pick was in 09.

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What would you guys think of this?

To TB:
Tomas Kaberle

To TOR:
1st Round 2010
2nd Round 2009
Steve Downie

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What would you guys think of this?

To TB:
Tomas Kaberle

To TOR:
1st Round 2010
2nd Round 2009
Steve Downie
I would do that and cross my fingers that Tampa has an equally off year in 09/10 and winds up with a lottery pick.

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