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04-08-2009, 06:56 PM
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Ottawa - SanJose off season

Not enough for Heatley. Someone like Setoguchi, Michalek or Clowe would have to be coming back with Erhoff for Ottawa to even consider it.

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Ottawa - SanJose off season

Just a proposal

Dany Heatley (7.5)

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Jonathan Cheechoo (3.0)
Christian Ehrhoff (3.1)

San Jose adds another high power offensive piece. He would dominate with Thornton.

Ottawa adds a former 50 goal scorer who could play with Spezza and score 30-40.

Ottawa also adds what they need most an explosive defenseman who could put up 45-50 points. His game breaking speed on the back end would be huge for Ottawa. Ehrhoff is one of the most underrated players in the game, just entering his prime and the skies the limit with his skill set.


Not sure if SanJose would go for it.

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I don't envision Ottawa doing this.

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I don't think this is a good deal for Ottawa, unless Ehrhoff is much, much better than I remember.

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Not enough to convince Ottawa of making this trade.

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If Ottawa were going to trade Heatley they shouldn't take back dead money like Cheechoo.

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This is a terrible deal for Ottawa, they get a defenseman with inflated stats on the best team in the league and an steadily declining RW. If he can't get 30-40 playing on Big Joe's wing what makes you think he'll do better on Spezza's?

They get this terrible package for a top 10 forward, and one of the most consistent players in the league.

Just FYI, this is hardly a viable trade for San Jose either, only due to cap reasons. They shed 6.1M in Ehroff and Cheechoo but gain 7.5M from Heatley. Add this to a team with:
Thornton - 7M
Marleau - 6.3M
Boyle - 6.6M
Nabokov - 5.375M
Michalek - 4.33M
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Heatley - 7.5M

That's 37M locked up in 4 forwards, 1 defenseman and 1 goaltender. (6players) With Clowe RFA this season and Pavelski/Setoguchi RFA next season, they will be handing out some serious raises or looking at a very depleted supporting cast.

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Not enough for Heatley. But with Blake probably retiring and Boyle getting up there in years, San Jose needs to keep Ehrhoff. He is by far the most talented defenseman on the team. They also can't afford another high-priced long-term contract.

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I don't think this is a good deal for Ottawa, unless Ehrhoff is much, much better than I remember.
Ehrhoff is becoming a two-way force. He is so good on the PP he has bumped Blake of the first PP unit.

He is about to emerge into a dominant defenseman, has all the tools from skating, defense awareness to a big shot.

26 and just entering his prime
He had a 22 game stretch this season where he only had one point. Pathetic I know.
The other 53GP 8G 41Pts

He puts up 50-60 points next season along with the amazing skating and defense he brings.

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Just a proposal

Dany Heatley (7.5)

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Jonathan Cheechoo (3.0)
Christian Ehrhoff (3.1)

San Jose adds another high power offensive piece. He would dominate with Thornton.

Ottawa adds a former 50 goal scorer who could play with Spezza and score 30-40.

Ottawa also adds what they need most an explosive defenseman who could put up 45-50 points. His game breaking speed on the back end would be huge for Ottawa. Ehrhoff is one of the most underrated players in the game, just entering his prime and the skies the limit with his skill set.


Not sure if SanJose would go for it.
bit late for April Fool's dude

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Interesting. I'll have to keep an eye out for Ehrhoff in the playoffs, I haven't been watching many Sharks games this year.

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This is a terrible deal for Ottawa, they get a defenseman with inflated stats on the best team in the league and an steadily declining RW. If he can't get 30-40 playing on Big Joe's wing what makes you think he'll do better on Spezza's?
He was playing on the Sharks third line most of the season as Setoguchi took his spot. Cheechoo has had some injury problems.

i remember last year when everyone was writing off another Shark Patrick Marleau after the 19G 48Pt season he had.

Poor years happen.

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Not enough for Dany Heatley.

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He was playing on the Sharks third line most of the season as Setoguchi took his spot. Cheechoo has had some injury problems.

i remember last year when everyone was writing off another Shark Patrick Marleau after the 19G 48Pt season he had.

Poor years happen.
Dany Heatley bad year: 38g 33a 71p

Jonathan Cheechoo bad year: 12G 17A 29P

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He was playing on the Sharks third line most of the season as Setoguchi took his spot. Cheechoo has had some injury problems.

i remember last year when everyone was writing off another Shark Patrick Marleau after the 19G 48Pt season he had.

Poor years happen.
Yes, but generally you don't see players bouncing back from poor years. Cheechoo has been on the decline for three years now.

Weren't some SJ fans at the deadline suggesting Neil for Cheechoo, straight up?

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wow this is terrible for Ottawa

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Dany Heatley bad year: 38g 33a 71p

Jonathan Cheechoo bad year: 12G 17A 29P
Ehrhoff is the big prize in the deal.

Cheechoo scores say 25-30 goals. He replaces half the goal scoring production that Heatley had.

I feel Ehrhoff is about to emerge as the next Andre Markov. get him right before he breaks out.

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No from San Jose too. There's definitely no room to fit Heatley under the cap. And IMO, Ehrhoff is one of the 3 untouchable dmen we have, (along with Vlasic and Boyle). And as far as I know, we don't really have any young dmen in the system with his skillset.

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Sharks can't add 1.5M to the cap and need to add another body to make up for the 2 for 1. That deal would have the sharks adding 2M total and we just don't have that kind of room.

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Ottawa would be getting a very raw deal if this went through.

From a Sharks perspective though, i'd do this in a heartbeat

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Not enough for Dany Heatley.
No kidding. Putting aside the major cap issues the team would have after this deal, there is just no way. I am right there with Fuhr in believing that Ehrhoff is extremely underrated. Someone on the Sharks board said Christian is essentially a dumber version of Niedermayer or Duncan Keith, the total package- good offensively, good defensively, very good on stopping dump-ins when penalty killing, physical, good first pass, and an absolute canon, but he makes a lot of brain farts.

I am confident Cheechoo could put up 30-35 goals with Spezza, but they could get him much cheaper than in a deal for Heatley, no matter how good Ehrhoff is.

Even if San Jose made it Clowe+Ehrhoff, traded Cheechoo, Murray, and Lukowich, they would still be over the ca.

The Sharks would have:
Heatley (7.5), Thornton (7.2), Boyle (6.67), Marleau (6.3), Nabokov (5.375), Michalek (4.333), Vlasic (3.1), Pavelski (1.7), Setoguchi (1.3), McGinn (.966), Mitchell (.9). 45 million on 10 players. We would need two top 4 d-man, 3 other d-men, 5 forwards and a back-up goalie for 10 million.

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Sounds good. This is a good hockey deal.

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I'm nowhere near as high on Ehrhoff as you are. He just has all the physical tools (especially skating) but lacks hockey intelligence. He's still just too prone too brainfarts, doesn't make smart plays, and can't hit the net consistently to save his life.

Don't get me wrong, he's a damn solid #3 defenseman, but he's not going to be the centerpiece for a trade for Dany ****ing Heatley.

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Not terrible if San Jose adds a pick or decent prospect. Ottawa could shed some extra salary and take a swing at Gaborik instead???

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i rather just wait for Karlsson, and possible Kulikov/OEL to develop into that type of player

I dont see trading Heatley as worth it especially for this package

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