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04-09-2009, 03:19 AM
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What's your opinion (Trade: PHI & ATL w/ Briere, JVR, Lehtonen and picks)

I put this on the trade board and wanted the opinion of everyone here. I think it's reasonable even if it'll never happen.

To Atl - Briere, JVR, SJS 2009 3rd
To Philly - Lehtonen, 2010 1st, 3rd line wing/equivalent prospect.


I understand that Atl wants JVR straight up but that's just not going to happen unless we have really soured on JVR (and there's no reason to believe this). Lehtonen will likely get around 5 mil a year as an RFA this year and we could simply wait and make him an offer sheet. We'd have to give up liek a 1st and a 2nd at that price and that's far less valuable than JVR. Second, if we are going to take on about 5 mil in salary with Lehtonen then we are going to need them to take back about equal salary off the current roster.

I doubt Briere would waive his NMC to go to Atlanta but if he would do you think this trade is fair?


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I doubt Briere would waive his NMC to go to Atlanta but if he would do you think this trade is fair?
When you turn it into a hypothetical like that, it gets complicated. Fair? It would be somewhat of a salary dump on our part. Too much reality mixed with too much fantasy.

While it's an attempt at solving the goaltending problem, and I'm up for gambling on Lehtonen, I don't like how we'd be basically giving up our top prospect to beg someone to take away Briere's contract. I still think he could win us a cup.

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Yes, I would do this. It really helps us capwise, a 2010 1st from ATL would really soften the blow of losing JVR, and we get a guy who could be the goalie we've needed for a long time.

Briere won't waive his NTC to go to Atlanta though.

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I have a really hard time seeing Briere waiving his NTC to go to...of all places...Atlanta.

Hence, this isn't realistic...and just a waste of time.

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I just don't see Holmgren giving up on JVR that easily now that he is signed. If the Phantoms make the playoffs and he plays really well, then maybe his stock with go up and we might get more for him. I just think the Flyers will hold onto him (unless there is a one sided offer in our favor) since he is a cheaper option than Lupul next year.

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04-09-2009, 08:23 AM
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no thanks, i'd give up briere no problem, but jvr i wouldn't let go that quickly... what has lehtonen done to even be worth trading for?

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04-09-2009, 08:33 AM
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I dont like Lehtonen enough to give up both Briere and JVR

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no thanks, i'd give up briere no problem, but jvr i wouldn't let go that quickly... what has lehtonen done to even be worth trading for?
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I would dump Briere, but the earliest we can dump him to another team is a few years away.

Last season and this season we paid him 10 and 8. The next 4 years he gets 8, 7, 7, 7 and then he gets 3 and finally 2.

We may be able to rid ourselves of him when he has one 7 year left, but ultimately he will likely HAVE to be around another 2-3 years minimum.

I think Lupul and/or Jones will be cap casualties and replaced with cheaper guys. Giroux will take over Gagne's cap hit in a few years also.

Knuble is likely gone though. Which is sad.

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Lupul and Jones can be replaced with JVR and Sbisa. Carle could eventually get replaced with Bartulitus depending on his progression or Marshall, Bourdon or Bodrov depending on their progression. Niity will be gone and replaced with the Swedish guy. Knuble will take a pay-cut, no more signing of 4th line centers as we have a million who can do that for cheap, carcillo dumped in the offseason for someone else and we save quite a bit of dough over the next few years to have some wiggle room for a bit.

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no thanks, i'd give up briere no problem, but jvr i wouldn't let go that quickly... what has lehtonen done to even be worth trading for?
Agree 100%. Lehtonen is not guaranteed to be any better than Biron. And we'd have to lose JVR to see what he can do?

No thanks.

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I dont like Lehtonen enough to give up both Briere and JVR
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Stupid silly.

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People overrate lehthonen
Sure he's mored down there in ATL, but I don't think he's much of an upgrade.
And certainly not worth JVR, imo

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Is Lehtonen the most over-rated goalie in the league on here?

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04-09-2009, 10:20 AM
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Is Lehtonen the most over-rated goalie in the league on here?
He sure seems to be.

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Is Lehtonen the most over-rated goalie in the league on here?
I'm not sure how the love for him even started. . . and I think at this point his ship has sailed until he proves otherwise.

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Is Lehtonen the most over-rated goalie in the league on here?
He seems to be pretty hyped, but I do feel he's a very good goalie. Not sure how much of an upgrade (if any) he would be compared to Biron, but he'd definately be cheaper...I think.

Maybe that's the basis of the proposal?

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How about you guys take Pavelec off of hands?

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I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again here, that's too much for a high injury risk goalie. It might just be better for Atlanta to see if he gets an offer sheet and let him leave for picks especially if they are worried about his injuries and he is blocking Pavalec.

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I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again here, that's too much for a high injury risk goalie. It might just be better for Atlanta to see if he gets an offer sheet and let him leave for picks especially if they are worried about his injuries and he is blocking Pavalec.
Lehtonen isn't blocking Pavelec. Pavelec is blocking Pavelec.

From the AJC: Consistency issues, coach John Anderson said, were the reason the Thrashers decided they wanted him to spend most of the season in Chicago, even after he helped the Wolves win the Calder Cup in 2007-08.

“I think we were right in our assessment,” Anderson said.


He's still inconsistent, and he has yet to put up better numbers than Lehtonen at any stage of their careers.


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Lehtonen is a very, very good keeper. The problem is he's playing in a shocking atlanta team, and is consistantly injured. If he had a little protection from his defense he would look a hec of allot better. Facing 40 shots a night in the wach isn't going to do him any favours though so he wouldn't be a good choice for us.

Also giving up on JVR this early is a bit strong.

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Lehtonen has done the whole overrated to underrated to overrated cycle. No way to the trade, potential cap benefit of losing Briere isn't worth losing JVR too.

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Lehtonen is a very, very good keeper. The problem is he's playing in a shocking atlanta team, and is consistantly injured. If he had a little protection from his defense he would look a hec of allot better. Facing 40 shots a night in the wach isn't going to do him any favours though so he wouldn't be a good choice for us.

Also giving up on JVR this early is a bit strong.
Thats the same argument I heard against Backstrom and others. Bottom line is who exactly can be counted on to stop 38 of 40 shots night after night. If we're going to play this freewheeling style we really need the best goalie we can get our hands on. I think personnel wise our D is capable of limiting the shot total much more then we do now. Seems to me the critism of Jones, Carle, Coburn etc... has more to do with the style of play as a team more than their abilities. They could certainly deal with some situations better than they do but the systen is pretty much set up to allow that many shots. Think we have two options. Either change the scheme our D uses with limited or no need for personnel changes or find a super stud goalie that excels under the pressure of all of those chances, who that may be I don't know. Option one seems more rational to me. I know these aren't ground breaking idea's but I think it needs to be mentioned in any conversation involving goalies or defensemen. Really, playing the way we do demands somehow having two Timonens on the ice at all times, it's setting any "average" type Dman up to fail.

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What's the difference between Biron and Lehtonen? Really, is it really that drastic of a difference to move Briere AND JVR? Come on! Does anyone actually WATCH hockey around here anymore?

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What's the difference between Biron and Lehtonen? Really, is it really that drastic of a difference to move Briere AND JVR? Come on! Does anyone actually WATCH hockey around here anymore?
Biron has proven more. The salary dump here is more appealing to me than Lehtonen

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