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04-10-2009, 02:08 PM
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I would pull the trigger on that trade if I new 100% that Jaybo was going to sign with the OILERS. I made that proposal under the assumption that Jaybo will sign with the OILERS.
Which is one of the dumbest things you could possibly do as a GM. If you knew he would sign here you sign him then trade your old #1 for a top line forward. Instead of wasting the asset.

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Gilbert is the only one available.

If Tambo is smart, he'll keep Grebs.

Visnovsky and Souray have NTCs.

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The Blue Jackets would be interested in either Gilbert or Grebeshkov. Would Rusty Klesla be a good starting point for either one? He's never lived up to his potential as a top pairing puck mover but he did develop into a solid defensive defenseman.

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The Oilers will desperately shop Staios this summer if they are smart. He's a 2.7M cap hit, but salarywise he's 2.8, 2.2 over the next two seasons. A team looking to add a veteran player who has a high commitment level would do well to add a guy like Staios. I cannot see the Oilers moving one of their top 4 unless they were getting a proven, no doubt, done it many times, 30 goal scoring LW or C. Only way they would do it.

To shed some salary I'm sure they will be shopping Staios. Look for Moreau and Pisani to also be mentionned frequently in trades. Nilsson too.

Penner and Horcoff's contracts are impossible to deal, so the Oilers will need to make some room in other ways. The overpaid 3rd liners and bottom pairing d-men are the best place to start.

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The Blue Jackets would be interested in either Gilbert or Grebeshkov. Would Rusty Klesla be a good starting point for either one? He's never lived up to his potential as a top pairing puck mover but he did develop into a solid defensive defenseman.
That'd be the kind of deal that's perfect for both sides- Jackets need a puck-mover, Edmonton needs someone who can play 16-18 minutes of good defense.

Gilbert for Klesa plus a pick?

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Not that it will ever happen, but I'd love to see Souray back in Montreal.

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To Montreal:
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Max Pacioretty
Absolutely no interest in that deal from a Habs perspective.

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That'd be the kind of deal that's perfect for both sides- Jackets need a puck-mover, Edmonton needs someone who can play 16-18 minutes of good defense.

Gilbert for Klesa plus a pick?
What about Stephane Robidas then? $1.5 million cap hit and right shot.

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If Gilbert gets traded he would be packaged with a Cogliano or somebody else for a top line forward.

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That'd be the kind of deal that's perfect for both sides- Jackets need a puck-mover, Edmonton needs someone who can play 16-18 minutes of good defense.

Gilbert for Klesa plus a pick?
The only thing the Oilers get out of that deal is about $2M in cap space. Gilbert is better than Klesla in just about every way. Edmonton doesn't need draft picks that badly, and Klesla is completely overrated defensively. The only time he's ever put up decent numbers is when he was paired with Hejda (and if you notice, everyone does better when they're on the ice with Hejda).

That's exactly the kind of move I could see Howson making though. He always tends to go for effective hockey players, not big names (bringing in Hejda, Torres, Commodore, Tyutin, Williams, etc. and trading away guys like Foote and Fedorov). In other words, he's the anti-McLean.

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If the Oil try to move Gilbert or Grebeshkov, they'd be wise to try to dump some deadweight with them and take a lower return. If they somehow find a taker for Vis with his contract and recent injury ... well Lowe is better then I thought!!! Getting the rights to Bouw for him, would be excellent. If they don't sign bouw, they still end up with 5.5 mill in cap relief and with so many teams hooped for the next couple of years, thta'snot a bad situation to be in.... Moving Souray would be PR suicide. He's pretty much the face of the Oilers now.....

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All the J-Bo to Edmonton talk should stop right now. Of all the teams in the league the Oilers have the most productive blue-line already. Visnovsky is a legit no.1 defender in the mode of Timonen or Gonchar. Souray is a great pp guy. Gilbert and Grebeshkov are young and not overly expensive.

The Oilers will offload Staios and his 2.7M cap hit this summer. Why save cap space by moving a guy like Grebeshkov who will likely be making 2.5-3M next season, when you can get rid of a much less valuable player eating the same cap space in Staios?

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Souray is the guy who they are going to hang on to I'm almost sure of it but I feel Visnovsky is likely the better overall player. It's close though, really the Oilers might want to hang on to both.

I feel one of Grebeshkov or Gilbert could be moved - I'm thinking Gilbert. Would be a good pick-up but he makes decent coin so the return might not be quite as much as the Oil might hope for.

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Visnovsky and Souray have NTCs.
Are you sure about that? I didnt think that Visnovsky's transferred from LA.

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Are you sure about that? I didnt think that Visnovsky's transferred from LA.
It wasn't. Souray has a NMC for one more season then it's void, and Visnovsky doens't have a NTC of any kind.

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It wasn't. Souray has a NMC for one more season then it's void, and Visnovsky doens't have a NTC of any kind.
That's not true. The Oilers honored the NMC that LA gave to Vis when he was traded. It was going to take effect on the 1st of July but LA traded him first.

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04-11-2009, 03:13 PM
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That's not true. The Oilers honored the NMC that LA gave to Vis when he was traded. It was going to take effect on the 1st of July but LA traded him first.
I googled it.

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Sheldon Souray, EDM - NMC [effective for 2007-08 through 2009-10 seasons]
Lubomir Visnovsky, EDM - NMC [full NMC until July 1, 2012; after that date, he selects 10 teams which he will accept a trade to]
I assume this is a site worth believing.

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To Montreal:
Tom Gilbert

To Edmonton:
Sergei Kostitsyn
Max Pacioretty

or

To Tampa:
Tom Gilbert

To Edmonton:
Ryan Malone
Matt Smaby
Dude, just STOP making proposals.

Both are brutal.

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I googled it.



I assume this is a site worth believing.

That's IB's site. It is about as reliable as they come. It also agrees with what Gregor (I believe) was told at the time of the deal ie) that the Oilers would honour Vis' NMC.

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That's IB's site. It is about as reliable as they come.
Ok yeah, I thought that site sounded familair.

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Volchenkov+ for Souray?

Sens need a big point shot and #1ish dman. We could also use some fighting ability to replace Neil. Souray would be perfect.

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Volchenkov+ for Souray?

Sens need a big point shot and #1ish dman. We could also use some fighting ability to replace Neil. Souray would be perfect.
Depending what the plus is but this would be a deal that I would do in a heartbeat. Volchenkov is exactly what we need.

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Depending what the plus is but this would be a deal that I would do in a heartbeat. Volchenkov is exactly what we need.
The plus was Christoph Schubert... No take-backsies.

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That's not true. The Oilers honored the NMC that LA gave to Vis when he was traded. It was going to take effect on the 1st of July but LA traded him first.
If that's true that they honored it, especially when they didn't have to, then whoever made that decision shouldn't be involed in managing an NHL team. That's just flat out stupid of them.

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Volchenkov+ for Souray?

Sens need a big point shot and #1ish dman. We could also use some fighting ability to replace Neil. Souray would be perfect.
Done from a Oilers perspective.

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