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04-13-2009, 09:06 AM
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Kirill Kabanov's career ruined starting next fall

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...d_u18_scoring/

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Kabanovís shot isn't making the score sheet quite as much this week, but may be hitting a score sheet somewhere in North America in the fall, as he said he is interested in coming to play in the CHL.
it was nice knowing you Kirill Kabanov. I hope you enjoy the rest of your working career making hamburgers.

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Actually, recently Russians have been doing well in the CHL.

Kulikov, Grachev, Loktionov, Kugryshev and Ostapchuk are all doing well.

I do agree that Kabanov should stay in KHL though.


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Actually, recently Russians have been doing well in the CHL.

Kulikov, Grachev, Loktionov, Kugryshev and Ostapchuk are all doing well.

I do agree that Kabanov should stay in KHL though.
WHo cares about the CHL, the problem is when they make the jump to the NHL. For some resone they all bust. Saprykin, Shvidki, Volkov, and many more that I can't remember.

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Radulov seemed to do fine going the CHL route

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Same thing for Kalinin.

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I wonder if the next year`s MHL can stop players from going to the CHL, or return them ...

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Tyutin look alright ...

IMO they are plenty advantage for russian players to play in the CHL.

Of course the level of competition might not be on par with the KHL but the players receive plenty of ice time , they learn english and north american culture a bit better. They also play on a small rink and play a NHL like schedule.

IMO if the players is very good it won't change anything in his game.

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Yep CHL there he'll learn the North American game (Canaduh's game)

Just think Krill can learn alot of things in the CHL, for example he can learn how to throw the puck into a corner!!!! then he can learn how to chase after it!!
He can learn how to properly skate up and down his wing!!!!

He can learn how to give cheap shots, late hit's and cross checking to the head
Of his opponent!!

Then best of all he can learn to be like Cindy Crosby and whine like a little sissy
when things don't go his way.

Yup should make him ready for the NHL!!

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Yep CHL there he'll learn the North American game (Canaduh's game)

Just think Krill can learn alot of things in the CHL, for example he can learn how to throw the puck into a corner!!!! then he can learn how to chase after it!!
He can learn how to properly skate up and down his wing!!!!

He can learn how to give cheap shots, late hit's and cross checking to the head
Of his opponent!!

Then best of all he can learn to be like Cindy Crosby and whine like a little sissy
when things don't go his way.

Yup should make him ready for the NHL!!
Come on man....

If Ovechkin or Malkin had played in the CHL, I think it wouldn't have changed anything in their development. But let's face it, those two are generational talents. However, the problem is with "potentialy good players", not the locks like Ovy, Malkin, Kovalchuk, for example if Datsyuk did that, he might not have turned out the player he is today.

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Can we please close this thread already. This is the most pointless argument ever. Different strokes(leagues) for different folks (players). Kabanov is going to be a great player regardless of where he goes.

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Can we please close this thread already. This is the most pointless argument ever. Different strokes(leagues) for different folks (players). Kabanov is going to be a great player regardless of where he goes.
No, generally it's not different strokes(leagues) for different folks (players).

http://www.iihf.com/iihf-home/sport/youth.html


Yes, I think Kabanov will be a great player; but it's about maximizing his full potential right now. Dumping and chasing the puck against a bunch of kids in the CHL is not going to help as much as playing and practicing in the 2nd best league in the world. He can learn to dump and chase all he wants in the future when his skills are fully developed.

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You are being very arrogant here, because I can tell that you have probably never watched a CHL game. I have been to a handful of Windsor games this year and Loktionov dictates and controls the flow of the game when he has the puck. Kabanov will do fine if he goes to a good team.
A study can show you numbers, but it cannot weigh value of player or chance of success in the NHL. Ask any scout: every player is different and will thrive in a given situation that others may fail in. I am all for the new junior league in Russia, but if it is not of caliber of the CHL than I would rather see players come over. Larionov has encouraged his clients to come over - I think he knows best.


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one rumour has the London Knights of the OHL(CHL) who already have a deal in place & they would select Kabanov in the CHL import draft this year.

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Kabanov is not that good. I believe it was Tarasenko who was making Kabanov look better than he actually is. Considering Kabanov's stupid interview to a Canadian newspaper it is obvious to me that he is not as good as advertised by his agent. Not an elite Russian player IMHO. Tarasenko on the other hand is going to be something special if he doesn't stop in his development.

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Kabanov is not that good. I believe it was Tarasenko who was making Kabanov look better than he actually is. Considering Kabanov's stupid interview to a Canadian newspaper it is obvious to me that he is not as good as advertised by his agent. Not an elite Russian player IMHO. Tarasenko on the other hand is going to be something special if he doesn't stop in his development.
I strongly disagree with you here.

Keep in mind that Kabanov was BY FAR the youngest member of the Team Russia in the U18 WC.

He was born on 07-16-92. He was more then a year younger then most players at this tournament, yet he still dominated.

This kid has elite upside.

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You are being very arrogant here, because I can tell that you have probably never watched a CHL game. I have been to a handful of Windsor games this year and Loktionov dictates and controls the flow of the game when he has the puck. Kabanov will do fine if he goes to a good team.
A study can show you numbers, but it cannot weigh value of player or chance of success in the NHL. Ask any scout: every player is different and will thrive in a given situation that others may fail in. I am all for the new junior league in Russia, but if it is not of caliber of the CHL than I would rather see players come over. Larionov has encouraged his clients to come over - I think he knows best.



Weighing the chance of success in the NHL (by going CHL route) is exactly what the study measures and why it was conducted.
They're not just 'numbers'.......it's proof based on evidence.

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There have been many a young and talented Russian player that have come to play in the CHL,, what has it done for them?? There are NO Russians that have developed into superstars after playing in the CHL,, yet numerous Russians that have stayed and played and developed there skills in RUSSIA are now Stars,, SUPERSTARS.

It's about developing skills,, the Superstars are the Skill players.

what skills are they gonna develop when there is less practise time,, there playing agianst lesser competion,, there being taught by amatuer coaches some of who can hardly skate. maybe Kabanov could learn to be more like canaduhs new superstar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wqR1...=585819&page=2

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Yep CHL there he'll learn the North American game (Canaduh's game)

Just think Krill can learn alot of things in the CHL, for example he can learn how to throw the puck into a corner!!!! then he can learn how to chase after it!!
He can learn how to properly skate up and down his wing!!!!

He can learn how to give cheap shots, late hit's and cross checking to the head
Of his opponent!!

Then best of all he can learn to be like Cindy Crosby and whine like a little sissy
when things don't go his way.

Yup should make him ready for the NHL!!

Yes canada's game by, hasnt helped us school you in the world junior championship at all.

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Yes canada's game by, hasnt helped us school you in the world junior championship at all.

Canada's development success comes from its wealth of players...not because of a good development program.
Canada has 7 times the amount of players Russia has; so in order to compensate Russia must rely on a superior development program.

Could you imagine the Russian dominance if Russia had Canada's player base? Everything averaging out, that's 7 Ovechkins being produced; 7 Malkins, 7 Kovalchuks, 7 Datsyuks, etc, etc, We'd win every game 10-0 on every level.

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7 Varlamovs too.

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Canada's development success comes from its wealth of players...not because of a good development program.
Canada has 7 times the amount of players Russia has; so in order to compensate Russia must rely on a superior development program.

Could you imagine the Russian dominance if Russia had Canada's player base? Everything averaging out, that's 7 Ovechkins being produced; 7 Malkins, 7 Kovalchuks, 7 Datsyuks, etc, etc, We'd win every game 10-0 on every level.
A red herring. If Russia had Canada's players base, where would those players play? Even in Canada, with all its rink, ice time is extremely difficult to get because of the numbers of players involved. Any parent with a child in minor hockey will tell you that.

I watched a great documentary a couple of weeks ago about Ovechkin, Crosby and Eric Staal and how they developed as kids. Sergei Fedorov was interviewed and he talked about that exactly that thing; about how scarce (his word not mine) ice time is in North America. When he was a kid, he said he could have stayed on the ice eight hours a day if he wanted to because the Soviet system catered to the elite not the masses.

You're deluding yourself if you think Canada develops good players by blind luck and sheer numbers.


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Canada has about 4000 hockey rinks. Russia has about 100 hockey rinks.

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Canada has about 4000 hockey rinks. Russia has about 100 hockey rinks.
Exactly. So there goes Zine's theory.

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Exactly. So there goes Zine's theory.
If the popularity of the sport would increase, so would the spending.

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Canada has about 4000 hockey rinks. Russia has about 100 hockey rinks.
For the record, there were actually 2,486 rinks in Canada according to a 2005 census.

http://www.sportalberta.ca/Research/...Report2006.pdf

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