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04-13-2009, 08:14 AM
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If we resign the above players, I doubt we could afford to sign "a decent free agent veteran d-man" and a "winger that can put the puck into the net".
Well I did say hope

Actually if Zanon is asking that much I don't know if we sign him. I do think he brings alot to the team though. I don't see Sully signing for 2 mil, I think that is wishful thinking he could get alot more on the open market.

I do agree alot is contingent on what Radulov does. In the paper Trotz seemed to be open to it, Arnott was not ... but I don't think his trade value is worth what he can bring to the team so I would hope they could smooth that out.

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Agreed after Josi and Blum the cubboard is getting bear.

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Here's the problem. Radulov's skill and contract size are perfect for Nashville. He's being paid less than a million dollars and he's a 20 goal scorer. Management wants him, but, I'm assuming, the players don't.

I think this and the defenseman roster are the most interesting questions coming up this year.

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Lose Hamhuis (2.5), Legwand (5.0), Devries (2.5)

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No way we trade Leggy, he's reliable and next year (without injury) he'll probably hit 20 goals and 40 points again, which we need.

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04-13-2009, 11:42 AM
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Lose Hamhuis (2.5), Legwand (5.0), Devries (2.5)

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No way we trade Leggy, he's reliable and next year (without injury) he'll probably hit 20 goals and 40 points again, which we need.
Dulzhok has a longstanding grudge against Legwand. From early November on, Legwand was by far our best all-around player, and possibly as good of a captain candidate when Arnott leaves as anyone.

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what are our chances to move up to 7th?
1.5%

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teams 1-10 in terms of alphabetical order:

**numbers in parenthesis for FA are what they made in the '09 season. If they are in italics, they are considered RFA.

Anaheim: - 09 salary of 54M and with 13 players signed the hit for 2010 is 37.44M
Free Agents: S. Niedermayer (6.75M), Marchant (2.66M), R.Niedermayer (2M), Beauchemin (1.65M), Hedican (.87M), Christensen (.75M), Brown (.52M), Festerling (.48M), Wisniewski (.9M)
Additions : Nokelainen (.9M), Whitney (4.63M), Brookbank (.55M)
Subtrations: Kunitz (3.8M)
re-signed : Parros (.87M)

Atlanta: - 09 salary of 36M and with 11 players signed the hit for 2010 is 29.05M
Free Agents: Lehtonen (3M), Armstrong (1.2M), Reasoner (1M), Valabik (.93M), Slater (.8M), Perrin (.75M), Oystrick (.58M), Salmela (.56M), Thorburn (.54M), Crabb (.55M)
Additions :
Subtrations:
re-signed : Enstrom (3.75M)

Boston: - 09 salary of 57.4M and with 14 players signed the hit for 2010 is 46.73M
Free Agents: Fernandez (4.75M), Axelsson (1.85M), Recchi (1.25M), Kessel (.85M), Krejci (.83M), Montador (.8M), Hunwick (.78M), Hnidy (.76M), Yelle (.75M), Bitz (.68M)
Additions :
Subtrations:
re-signed : Thomas (5M)

Buffalo: - 09 salary of 50.23M and with 15 players signed the hit for 2010 is 46.54M
Free Agents: Afinogenov (3.5M), Spacek (3.3M), Numminen (1.1M), Stafford (.98M), Moore (.9M), Sekara (.66M), Peters (.55M), MacArthur (.52M), Kaleta (.5M), Ellis (.48M)
Additions :
Subtrations:
re-signed : Miller (6.25M), Pominville (5.3M), Connolly (4.5M)

Carolina: - 09 salary of 51.38M and with 15 players signed the hit for 2010 is 42.77M
Free Agents: Cole (4M), Ruutu (2.25M), Jokinen (1.88M), Seidenberg (1.2M), Babchuk (1M), Tanabe (.9M), LaRose (.88M), Bayda (.48M), Ryan (.48M)
Additions :
Subtrations: Williams (3.5M)
re-signed : E.Staal (8.25M)

Calgary: - 09 salary of 61.52M and with 15 players signed the hit for 2010 is 46.83M
Free Agents: Aucoin (4M), Cammalleri (3.6M), Warrener (2.5M), Bertuzzi (1.95M), Leopold (1.5M), Boyd (.68M), Lundmark (.6M), Roy (.55M), Pardy (.5M), McElhinney (.5M), Peters (.48M)
Additions :
Subtrations:
re-signed : Moss (1.3M)

Chicago: - 09 salary of 57.34M and with 11 players signed the hit for 2010 is 36.22M
Free Agents: Khabibulin (6.75M), Havlat (6M), Pahlsson (1.4M), Barker (.98M), Bolland (.89M), Niemi (.88M), Brouwer (.7M), Crawford (.66M), Eager (.65M), Walker (.6M), Johnson (.53M), Fraser (.5M), Versteeg (.49M)
Additions :
Subtrations:
re-signed :

Columbus: - 09 salary of 50.87M and with 18 players signed the hit for 2010 is 40.7M
Free Agents: Backman (3.4M), Williams (2.2M), Malhotra (1.5M), Peca (1.32M), Gratton (1.25M), Novotny (.8M), Picard (.79M), York (.75M), Tollefsen (.75M), Rome (.54M), Lacosta (.53M), Methot (.52M), Dubieleqicz (.5M)
Additions :
Subtrations: Norrena - signed in Europe
re-signed :

Colorado - 09 salary of 52.87M and with 13 players signed the hit for 2010 is 43.78M
Free Agents: Sakic (6M), Arnason (1.75M), Laperriere (1.15M), Jones (.85M), Raycroft (.8M), Budaj (.8M), Tjarnqvist (.75M), Willsie (.6M), Nycholat (.6M), McLeod (.52M), McCormick (.52M), Guite (.48M), Cumiskey (.48M)
Additions :
Subtrations: Parker - released
re-signed : Stastny (6.6M)

Dallas - 09 salary of 58.54M and with 17 players signed the hit for 2010 is 40.23M
Free Agents: Zubov (5.35M), Lehtinen (4.1M), Morrison (2.75M), Sydor (2.5M), Begin (1.3M), Lundqvist (.75M), Fistric (.65M), Wilson (.55M), Parrish (.5M), Conner (.5M), Stephan (.49M)
Additions : Hutchinson (.6M)
Subtrations:
re-signed : Sutherby (.81M)


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Dulzhok has a longstanding grudge against Legwand. From early November on, Legwand was by far our best all-around player, and possibly as good of a captain candidate when Arnott leaves as anyone.
Sorry, I think he epitomizes average, and I don't see him being a key figure on any real playoff team. I'm ready for this team to get some hope of getting out of the first round. Yeah, I'd take Bergeron over him. And Arnott. Arnott took this team on his back when he came back from injury, something Legwand simply doesn't have the ability to do with any consistency. He might be serviceable, but that doesn't mean he's going to lead us out of the first round.

No forward deserves MVP consideration on this team.

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04-14-2009, 05:59 AM
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Predators' Steve Sullivan won't rush into decision on future

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"A lot of the reasons are personal, things my family and I have to discuss,'' Sullivan said. "I've never won, and I think that's going to be one (factor). Money is another one. So there's a lot of different scenarios and a lot of ways it could play out."
If he goes to the Redwings..... And he is looking for what may be his last payday... Well I still hope he stays.

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04-14-2009, 07:59 AM
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Sorry, I think he epitomizes average, and I don't see him being a key figure on any real playoff team. I'm ready for this team to get some hope of getting out of the first round. Yeah, I'd take Bergeron over him. And Arnott. Arnott took this team on his back when he came back from injury, something Legwand simply doesn't have the ability to do with any consistency. He might be serviceable, but that doesn't mean he's going to lead us out of the first round.

No forward deserves MVP consideration on this team.
Your hatred blinds you. He's a beast defensively, a top notch playmaker, and before the injury was on pace for another 25 goal season...while spending ample chunks of time with Jordin "Sideshow" Tootoo on his wing. I'm sorry, but there's not a team in the league that wouldn't love to have a guy that shuts down the top lines while also contributing 60 points with limited power play time.


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If he goes to the Redwings..... And he is looking for what may be his last payday... Well I still hope he stays.
This is both surprising and disappointing. It sounds like he's aware that he'd have to take a paycut to stick around, and is completely unwilling to do so. The writing definitely looks to be on the wall here.

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I'll be honest, I'm one of the few people who would be happy if the Preds move forward and sign a younger, healthier player. Sully was a vital part of the team but I want to see that money go into a better option.

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Thank you for everything Sully but your age & injury history isn't a + for you at this time ... Poile, don't be an idiot & bring him back

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Your hatred blinds you. He's a beast defensively, a top notch playmaker, and before the injury was on pace for another 25 goal season...while spending ample chunks of time with Jordin "Sideshow" Tootoo on his wing. I'm sorry, but there's not a team in the league that wouldn't love to have a guy that shuts down the top lines while also contributing 60 points with limited power play time.
A top notch playmaker? When compared to who, Jordin Tootoo?

Legwand led our all forwards in ice time, at nearly 20 minutes a game. I sure as hell hope you can score 40 points with that ice time. Legwand has scored 60 points once in his 10 year career. He's scored 20 goals twice.

I can name you plenty of teams that would pass on Legwand as one of their top 2 centerman. Philly going take away Richards/Carter's spot and give it to Legwand? Calargy going strip Langkow/Jokinen/Camereilli? Detriot Zetterberg/Datysuk? Pittsburgh Malkin/Crosby? Vancouver Sundin/Sedin? Boston Krejci/Savard/Beregeron? San Jose Thornton/Marleau?

And yes, there is a trend to these teams mentioned above. They are all playoff THREATS. I'd be happy if the right upgrade was presented to us, like a Bergeron. We've got to atleast try to get out of the first round. Sure, I'm fine with Legwand as our 3rd line center, but I don't think we can allocate 5 million to our 3rd line center.

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This is both surprising and disappointing. It sounds like he's aware that he'd have to take a paycut to stick around, and is completely unwilling to do so. The writing definitely looks to be on the wall here.
Yeah, it's not looking good from that article.

Pretty disappointing considering that Nashville stood by him through the ordeal. He doesn't seemed to be tied to us an any way.

But then again, Poile hasn't made a good trade since trading for him, and Sullivan doesn't appear to be optimistic on Poile's ability to build a winner anytime soon.

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When players are drafted they go in with the mindset they work for the NHL not a specific team. Doesn't matter the team as long as they work and play for the NHL, they are NHL players not Predators etc.

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Thank you for everything Sully but your age & injury history isn't a + for you at this time ... Poile, don't be an idiot & bring him back
He'd be an idiot not to try and bring him back, I mean he had a ppg for the last 16 games, I know it's risky, but I'd rather risk it then be without a ppg player for a while. I just hope Poile doesn't sign him for more then 4mil.

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He'd be an idiot not to try and bring him back, I mean he had a ppg for the last 16 games, I know it's risky, but I'd rather risk it then be without a ppg player for a while. I just hope Poile doesn't sign him for more then 4mil.
if that's what happens, I'll officially be calling for Poile's head ... he's not worth 4 mil, let alone 3.2, let alone 2.5

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Now 2.5 for two years, I think, could work. Anything above is tough, considering how risky Sully is.

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Man, Preds fans sure are a tough crowd, lol

No matter what happens, someone is gonna hate Poile

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Man, Preds fans sure are a tough crowd, lol

No matter what happens, someone is gonna hate Poile
Yeah, I know. Oh God Trotz sucks, Wah. Yeah the guys who is he keeps up his pace will become one of the fastest to get into the top 10 in coaching wins ever. Poile is top 10 but not perfect.

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I don't hate him, and I definately don't hate Trotzy. I just think Poile would be stupid if he didn't try and get a season or two out of a ppg that we desprately need.

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I can't blame Sully for testing the market. Free agency doesn't come around too many times over the life of a career, and who among us wouldn't like to see a system similar to free agency in our industries. I don't necessarily think he owes the Predators anything for standing by him during his time injured. What else were they going to do? He had zero trade value. The NHL and it's teams are a business first and I really think that if it made financial sense to release him the Predators would have released him, especially given their financial concerns. I don't think any of this diminishes one bit of what Sully accomplished in Nashville and the door seems to at least remain open.

Given the economic times and his injury history I can't imagine teams threatening to outbid Nashville for him ala Scott Hartnell and Timmonen. I would love to see him return to Nashville, as long as his salary is reasonable (IMO 2 years at 3 million per). It seems that we want to get younger, and I think we can get younger in other ways . . .DeVries, Bonk, Fiddler, etc. Arnott has a comfort level with him and I think he brings an excitement and energy to the ice and the dressing room. We are already week in the top six and I doubt we will see an impact free agent signed (its just not what Poile does). Do we think we have someone who can step in and replace a point per game and bring the same intangibles?

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My question is now much will the economy effect the market. Look at MLB. A lot of talent is out of work because the youth is cheaper and only marginally worse.

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I still wear my Vokoun jersey with pride (and sadness that he's no longer a Predator) but anyways:

I personally did not thing we'd be so close to making the playoffs. I appreciate the collective effort of the team and staff for working so hard.

Hats off to Trotz.

Also want to give a personal shout out to those of you that support the team and go to games. I'm really kicking my self in the ass for canceling my plans to visit Nashville and see some games before my move to Taiwan, but well can't change the past.

Already saving up money to get another Predators jersey but still can't decide who's name I want on it.

Thanks for this season all, hopefully we have a good off season, draft and thanks for putting up with my banter even though I'm halfway around the globe.

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