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04-13-2009, 06:33 PM
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I've seen Gragnani and he does not have anywhere near the hockey sense that Ellis has.

Gragnani is more of a Mike Green-lite type guy (More of a shooter) and I see Ellis more like Rafalski (More of a playmaker).

And the Biega/Brennan/Schiestal mix seems like Sekera-ish upside to me. As a comparison, Ellis outscored Brennan and Schiestal combined this season.

Having that group as the future PP QB Dman is like saying they have enough size up front in the pipeline because of Adam and Gogulla.

I still think that the value Ellis will have at 13 will trump organizational need as 10 years from now, I'm betting that Ellis is one of the 5 or 6 best players in the 2009 draft.
I really cannot believe my eyes when I read this stuff, Ellis as the first pick. Come on!

Posters on here complain as there was no tomorrow about having size, now everybody talks about drafting a guy under 5'6". He will absolutely get killed.

Talking about outscoring the others mentioned, look at the team he was on. If the for-mentioned played on Windsor I am sure their numbers would have drastically increased. How can they not with Hall up front.

If this team picks this player they are then worse off than I thought. Would you draft a specialist like Garabed Sarkis "Garo" Yepremian with you first pick a specialist? NOT!

The Sabres need forwards with big size who can stand if front of the net during PP's, back check hard along the blue line and neutral zone and receive a pass from the D zone without worrying about losing his head.

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04-13-2009, 06:57 PM
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Not that it's relevant, but I'm already almost done with the first phase of the draft preview and there are some guys that I know will be buried when CSB releases their list this week. Like last year, I'm targeting five guys who I hope are considered at each spot.

Saying that, I'm not in love with the 13 hole this season. If Ellis is there, I'm not sure I pull the trigger even with all of his natural talent. In his defense, he played well when he wasn't on the PP at the WJC's, but I'm not ready to commit. Find a team that loves him if he's on the board and trade your ass down for a few more picks.

Kassian is a badass. I wish for more offense, but whatever. The one thing that scares me is that Simon Despres may be too good and too steady to pass up if he's there. (Right now, I don't know how he could be.) If Regier does take a D, he better be dealing some guys to get back in the game before LA's pick in the 3rd round because this team knows they have enough waterbugs up front and have a clear need to get bigger and more skilled ASAP.

Regarding PP guy, folks are going to be surprised when Schiestel gets to Buffalo. With a year, year-and-half of skating it up with Portland, the kid could be that power play catalyst (not specialist) that many are clamoring for. Insane wheels, and a friggin' cannon from the point. I think his game will translate really well to the pros as long as he doesn't try to do too much. Weinrich, Jeep, etc, will make sure he's groomed properly.

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04-14-2009, 09:12 AM
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I really cannot believe my eyes when I read this stuff, Ellis as the first pick. Come on!

Posters on here complain as there was no tomorrow about having size, now everybody talks about drafting a guy under 5'6". He will absolutely get killed.

Talking about outscoring the others mentioned, look at the team he was on. If the for-mentioned played on Windsor I am sure their numbers would have drastically increased. How can they not with Hall up front.

If this team picks this player they are then worse off than I thought. Would you draft a specialist like Garabed Sarkis "Garo" Yepremian with you first pick a specialist? NOT!

The Sabres need forwards with big size who can stand if front of the net during PP's, back check hard along the blue line and neutral zone and receive a pass from the D zone without worrying about losing his head.
Ellis is going to be more than a PP specialist with time. He was used in that role on a stacked Canadian WJC as an almost 18yo!

And as far as size, he's listed at 5'10" 173 lbs right now.

Brian Rafalski has had a nice NHL career and he's listed at 5'10" 200 lbs.

I think Ellis can put on 25 lbs or so between now and when he turns 35.....

I think that bigger forwards up front are a need, but not on the PP. Vanek and Gaustad have those rolled filled for a while.

If Kassian and Ellis are there, then I wouldn't mind going with Kassian. But, if Kassian is gone and Ellis slips, I would be worried about reaching for a big forward with lesser skills than Kassian as then I'm worried about entering Bustmuffin territory.

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Wonderful- Tavares and Hedman in the East.

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I'd love to see them trade down and get a later first and a second or two.
Do you have anything on Carter Ashton? He'd be intriguing if we decide to go that route.

Also, do you know anything about Drew Shore? Tough to get much info on him.

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Wonderful- Tavares and Hedman in the East.
Like it would be easy?

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I'd love to see them trade down and get a later first and a second or two.
I concur fully. If they just select with the picks they have available, I'll be quite afraid. Missing a 2nd and 4th is really digging into their future potential. This is just a trend I've noticed, but it seems like after the 4th round, the number of guys that simply get offered an entry-level deal, when their rights are up, severely drops. I would rather them trade their first for a 2nd and 4th, at least, if not a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, if they can manage to get a team without a 1st that is desperate enough to do that. Our organizational depth at all 3 forward positions is still lacking and I'd like to snag a goalie around the 4th/5th round, just for insurance or a trading piece if that goalie turns out to be like Ryan Miller (5th round steal).

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Stefan Ulmer (a Defenseman without size) will be available around the overall pick 200.

It would be great if the sabres would pick him up. He is a great Talent. The only negative thing about him is his size, but he plays well offensivley, can move the puck and is very good on his own end too.

I guess the sabres pick up Josefson in the first round.

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I would draft a forward (Kassian/Josefson/Glennie) in our position but if it were possible I would try to move up to take Cowen. The thought of a Cowen - Myers pairing down the road is a nice thought.

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Here's my second go at trying to be a part of Buffalo's HFBoard! Post #6 13 months after post #5!

I would really love the Sabes to get Glennie, something about him just seems to fit what our team should want to do. Elite speed, some scoring touch and a bit of grit. That's a combination that fits Ruff very well (most everyone on the current team seems to be missing one of these qualities and I am one of the seemingly few these days who will be devastated if he loses his job.

I am afraid that one of the Canadian teams will nab him though, especially if OEL doesn't last until the Sens at nine. If not them, Edmonton.

Regarding Ellis, I thought he more than held his own at the WJC's and would certainly be interested in him at 13 if Glennie, Kadri or Josefson are all gone and a trade down to grab Kassian isn't there. He has been a key part of two very successful seasons in Windsor and I am all for adding winners into the organization. A Myers-Ellis combo on the PP in 3 years would be ultra-dangerous IMO. I didn't realize that Bob Boughner is Windsor's coach/owner and just won his second consecutive OHL coach of the year award (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stor...-ohlcoach.html). That encourages me somewhat about Ellis' potential to be a sound rearguard who can at least adequately take the body, especially if he finds and inch or two and 25 pounds. Hell, we should keep an eye on Boughner for an assistant coaching job a few years down the road!

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Do you have anything on Carter Ashton? He'd be intriguing if we decide to go that route.

Also, do you know anything about Drew Shore? Tough to get much info on him.
Ashton would be a decent consolation prize if you miss on Kassian. He doesn't throw his weight around as much (skating), but finishes pretty darn good as a RW. Best asset is probably his shot and obviously his size (could end up 6'5, 225/230). I thought his stride looked sort of goofy in the Top Prospects Game.

Shore is a gamer. He's got to be a first rounder. Real good with the puck, doesn't float, just plays real hard. Sabres could use a big-bodied center who likes to distribute the puck. I'd love to be in Fargo to see him against a higher level of competition instead of playing against the Mahoning Valleys of the world (who by the way had a really good '10 on their squad - Saad.).

With the C spot a clear need, I'm looking at Ethan Werek also. Right now, I'm probably looking at Werek even at #13 regardless of Central's rankings.

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04-15-2009, 08:55 PM
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With the C spot a clear need, I'm looking at Ethan Werek also. Right now, I'm probably looking at Werek even at #13 regardless of Central's rankings.
Need more input. I've never heard of the guy.

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Need more input. I've never heard of the guy.
He played a lot of LW this season, but he's smart enough and good on the forecheck to play center as a pro (his natural position). Good size (6'2, close to 200), real good skills, with some grit. Makes things happen, lots to like. He scored 32 goals and 32 assists playing for Doug Gilmour in Kingston. Was going to attend BU, but decided the OHL was better exposure in his draft year. It worked out for him.

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He played a lot of LW this season, but he's smart enough and good on the forecheck to play center as a pro (his natural position). Good size (6'2, close to 200), real good skills, with some grit. Makes things happen, lots to like. He scored 32 goals and 32 assists playing for Doug Gilmour in Kingston. Was going to attend BU, but decided the OHL was better exposure in his draft year. It worked out for him.
So he missed out on a championship. Oh well, his loss. I suppose I can forgive him since we clearly didn't need him.

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So he missed out on a championship. Oh well, his loss. I suppose I can forgive him since we clearly didn't need him.
Yeah, he actually centered Trivino in Stouffville last season. They're good chaps.

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He played a lot of LW this season, but he's smart enough and good on the forecheck to play center as a pro (his natural position). Good size (6'2, close to 200), real good skills, with some grit. Makes things happen, lots to like. He scored 32 goals and 32 assists playing for Doug Gilmour in Kingston. Was going to attend BU, but decided the OHL was better exposure in his draft year. It worked out for him.
So pretty much a good sized all arounder-type?

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So pretty much a good sized all arounder-type?
He's not a speed demon and he's not super aggressive with the hitting (no fights) yet, but he's still just 17. He looks like he could be a balanced power forward with skill and jam. This was his first year in the OHL and he definitely got better defensively as it wore on. #13 could be a touch early, but he should be in the discussion.

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We talk about moving back to get additional picks, but what about the Sabres moving up to get Brayden Schenn? The cost to get Kane may be a little more, but the comparisons to Iginla are there, and there were rumors of Darcy at one time wanting Iginla...There will be bidders for both.

Both look like surefire guys, and they did go to the WHL with their first two picks last year after all.

Better question - dangle Roy? Betterer question: is that its own thread?

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We talk about moving back to get additional picks, but what about the Sabres moving up to get Brayden Schenn? The cost to get Kane may be a little more, but the comparisons to Iginla are there, and there were rumors of Darcy at one time wanting Iginla...There will be bidders for both.

Both look like surefire guys, and they did go to the WHL with their first two picks last year after all.

Better question - dangle Roy? Betterer question: is that its own thread?
Moving up for Schenn or Kane would be ideal as they could use the improvement at the center spot but moving Roy would be ludicrous with the lack of depth at the position. Now dangling Pominville to jump up 6 or 7 slots would be better.

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Moving up for Schenn or Kane would be ideal as they could use the improvement at the center spot but moving Roy would be ludicrous with the lack of depth at the position. Now dangling Pominville to jump up 6 or 7 slots would be better.
Personally, I can't see the Sabres dangling a top 6 forward to move up and get a prospect.

I think the Sabres will look to remake the NHL roster if they opt to move "Core" guys like Roy, Pominville, Hecht, or Tallinder.

Although, they could spin a Roy or Pominville trade as a cap clearing move. But, that would put the onus on them to do something sizable via trade or in FA......

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With the C spot a clear need, I'm looking at Ethan Werek also. Right now, I'm probably looking at Werek even at #13 regardless of Central's rankings.
I don't know much about him, but he certainly has been putting up some nice numbers in the preliminary rounds of the U-18 Tournament. 32 32 -5 is very impressive on the last place team in the OHL as well - especially considering his age.

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Moving up for Schenn or Kane would be ideal as they could use the improvement at the center spot but moving Roy would be ludicrous with the lack of depth at the position. Now dangling Pominville to jump up 6 or 7 slots would be better.
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If there is a time to trade him its at the draft, after that he's here for the longhaul.

I wonder if it would be easier to move Stafford in an attempt to jump up. It wouldn't eleviate the cap issues much at all but I think he would be a desireable trade option for a lot of teams.

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If there is a time to trade him its at the draft, after that he's here for the longhaul.

I wonder if it would be easier to move Stafford in an attempt to jump up. It wouldn't eleviate the cap issues much at all but I think he would be a desireable trade option for a lot of teams.
P'Ville's NTC only limits the trade partners to 21 out of 29 teams. It doesn't make him completely immovable.

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