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Wild were looking for permission to speak to Dave Nonis. Leafs Decline permission.

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04-16-2009, 10:12 PM
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Wild were looking for permission to speak to Dave Nonis. Leafs Decline permission.

http://tsn.ca/columnists/darren_dreger/?id=275335

Interesting....

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Good to see. We're lucky to have Nonis as part as this management team.

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the nonis haters on the nucks board will have a field day with this discussion

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no nonis for them...

hey someone give em JFJ's number



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Surprising that he wouldn't be given permission, I didn't think Burke would stand in his old buddy's way if there was a potential job there for him.

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Surprising that he wouldn't be given permission, I didn't think Burke would stand in his old buddy's way if there was a potential job there for him.
Perhaps Burke knows Nonis won't get the job right now and wants to increase his perceived value to the Leafs, making him more sought after by desperate teams.

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Minnesota don't need Nonis. Nonis is the worst drafter ever.... he is scared to make moves and is not a good gm.

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Minnesota don't need Nonis. Nonis is the worst drafter ever.... he is scared to make moves and is not a good gm.
Risebrough did well drafting AJ Thelen ahead of Drew Stafford, Alexander Radulov and Travis Zajac.

Also, picking Benoit Pouliot ahead of Carey Price, Devin Setoguchi, Anze Kopitar and Marc Staal was a shrewd move.

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Risebrough did well drafting AJ Thelen ahead of Drew Stafford, Alexander Radulov and Travis Zajac.

Also, picking Benoit Pouliot ahead of Carey Price, Devin Setoguchi, Anze Kopitar and Marc Staal was a shrewd move.
Risebrough had a great draft record with the wild did he not?

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Nonis is an okay drafter. I think his biggest mistake was putting too much trust into Delorme, who is a horrible judge of talent.

For a guy who got us Raymond, Schneider, and more importantly Edler, he's done an okay job. Grabner's actually looking to be a decent second line goal scorer. I'm not putting Bourdon on his resume, though, because he took him ahead of Kopitar, which is absolutely inexcusable considering that Kopitar should have been top 5 in that draft and that the pick had "I'm trying to replace Jovanovski" written all over.

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Surprising that he wouldn't be given permission, I didn't think Burke would stand in his old buddy's way if there was a potential job there for him.
I'd be surprised if his(Nonis) opinion wasn't first sought. I'm sure if he had a keen interest permission would have been immediately granted.

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Nonis and Burke really do have a Randy and Lahey type relationship, don't they?

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As said on Leaf Board, no reason to allow Nonis to talk to others while he knows all of Burkes plans for draft/UFA. Maybe after Toronto is satisfied, but Nonis knows too much (as conspiracy-theoryish as that sounds).

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Nonis is an okay drafter. I think his biggest mistake was putting too much trust into Delorme, who is a horrible judge of talent.

For a guy who got us Raymond, Schneider, and more importantly Edler, he's done an okay job. Grabner's actually looking to be a decent second line goal scorer. I'm not putting Bourdon on his resume, though, because he took him ahead of Kopitar, which is absolutely inexcusable considering that Kopitar should have been top 5 in that draft and that the pick had "I'm trying to replace Jovanovski" written all over.

Kopitar is awesome and all, considering all that he's done at such a young age...and would have been tremendous for the Canucks as that 2nd line center they were looking for before they got Sundin, but you can't say that Bourdon wasn't going to become a stud for the Canucks as it looked like was going to happen at the end of last season before the accident. We all know it typically takes longer for defensemen to develop rather than forwards, and accordingly defensemen are typically more valued than forwards since there are less of them, so I think Nonis's choice for Bourdon rather than Kopitar might not have been "hindsight's" number one choice but its still a quality pick by Nonis according to my opinion of what Bourdon would have become for the Canucks franchise. You never know, in the long run a Bourdon might have been more valuable than a Kopitar and I think this fascination by Canucks fans that they "should have drafted Kopitar" should disappear considering the circumstances of how it all played out.

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As said on Leaf Board, no reason to allow Nonis to talk to others while he knows all of Burkes plans for draft/UFA. Maybe after Toronto is satisfied, but Nonis knows too much (as conspiracy-theoryish as that sounds).
No that actually makes sense.

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As said on Leafs Board, no reason to allow Nonis to talk to others while he knows all of Burkes plans for draft/UFA. Maybe after Toronto is satisfied, but Nonis knows too much (as conspiracy-theoryish as that sounds).
No offence but that sounds rather silly.
Do they assume there isn't sufficient integrity in Nonis to accept his word that he would opt not to divulge that information? If so, are they not extremely worried about Burke's gross misinterpretation of Nonis character, especially after working so closely together for many years. A misjudgement of that magnitude would be alarming to put it mildly.

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No offence but that sounds rather silly.
Do they assume there isn't sufficient integrity in Nonis to accept his word that he would opt not to divulge that information? If so, are they not extremely worried about Burke's gross misinterpretation of Nonis character, especially after working so closely together for many years. A misjudgement of that magnitude would be alarming to put it mildly.
I think it's more that Nonis and Burke have been discussing who to target for UFAs and trades. If Nonis becomes GM, then Nonis and Burke would probably be targeting the same players. For the draft, they have probably been working together to determine who to take. Who Burke likes is probably who Nonis likes.

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I think it's more that Nonis and Burke have been discussing who to target for UFAs and trades. If Nonis becomes GM, then Nonis and Burke would probably be targeting the same players. For the draft, they have probably been working together to determine who to take. Who Burke likes is probably who Nonis likes.
Yes obviously they communicate on draft picks and current NHL's.
But why do people think the Minnesota Wild and Toronto will target the same UFA's just because Burke let Nonis know he liked them. Its a longshot at best and the only issue i can see without reaching to the point of risking a serious shoulder hyperextension is if the Leafs were to target Gaborik. Then Nonis could inform ownership and get him inked ASAP. Even then if Minnesota has its heart set on resigning Gaborik they have months to get it done without fear of interference from anyone at all. If Gaborik has a predetermined notion to hit the open market neither Burke or Nonis have any option but to offer the best deal which is all the other 28 teams can do. Its not like the two teams will be battling eachother for a playoff spot ever which would be the only other credible scenario.

Besides, if Nonis has questionable integrity towards a man who has had a tremendous positive impact on his career its best to part company anyway IMO.

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Yes obviously they communicate on draft picks and current NHL's.
But why do people think the Minnesota Wild and Toronto will target the same UFA's just because Burke let Nonis know he liked them. Its a longshot at best and the only issue i can see without reaching to the point of risking a serious shoulder hyperextension is if the Leafs were to target Gaborik. Then Nonis could inform ownership and get him inked ASAP. Even then if Minnesota has its heart set on resigning Gaborik they have months to get it done without fear of interference from anyone at all. If Gaborik has a predetermined notion to hit the open market neither Burke or Nonis have any option but to offer the best deal which is all the other 28 teams can do. Its not like the two teams will be battling eachother for a playoff spot ever which would be the only other credible scenario.

Besides, if Nonis has questionable integrity towards a man who has had a tremendous positive impact on his career its best to part company anyway IMO.
It's not the big signings that matter, it's the one or two third line guys who Burke/Nonis believe may be had for cheap and have high potential. The so called diamonds in the rough. Obviously knowing that Burke wants to sign Gaborik would have no benefit as every team would sign him for the right price. But there might be one third line guy that they've identified who they think can be a top 6 down the road.

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It's not the big signings that matter, it's the one or two third line guys who Burke/Nonis believe may be had for cheap and have high potential. The so called diamonds in the rough. Obviously knowing that Burke wants to sign Gaborik would have no benefit as every team would sign him for the right price. But there might be one third line guy that they've identified who they think can be a top 6 down the road.
Do you honestly believe this to be the case?
I'll leave it back at my "sounds silly" to put it mildly opinion of earlier.

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Nonis probably makes more with the Leafs than most GMs do.

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LOL, this rumour is so fitting because Dave Nonis seems like he would fit like a glove with the Wild organization. Yeah, the Wild needs a guy who's gonna sign a bunch of Isbister's and Ritchie's and Chouinard's in hopes they become go-to guys for the club.

Dave Nonis = Doug Riseborough.

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No offence but that sounds rather silly.
Do they assume there isn't sufficient integrity in Nonis to accept his word that he would opt not to divulge that information? If so, are they not extremely worried about Burke's gross misinterpretation of Nonis character, especially after working so closely together for many years. A misjudgement of that magnitude would be alarming to put it mildly.
What if Nonis has been courting Euro/college UFAs? He coudl take em with him if he went to another team. Burke suerly wouldnt want that.

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Nonis probably makes more with the Leafs than most GMs do.
Probably won't bump into him in line at the food bank, thats for sure.

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I'm glad the Leafs denied permission.

Their management team is extremely good: Burke, Nonis, Nieuwy and Fletcher as an adviser.

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