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The answer to "trade everyone who sucked this year" : see Ryder, Michael.

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04-20-2009, 10:47 PM
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The answer to "trade everyone who sucked this year" : see Ryder, Michael.

Last year: Didn't backcheck, didn't cover his man, didn't hit, didn't make good passes, was -1000, was called soft, a *****, uselless, dumb as a puck and generally sucked.

This year: Backchecks, plays his man, hits hard, makes good passes, and scores the game winners.

Guys with talent don't need to be given up on. Bad years happen. Most guys learn from them and get better.

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Amen!

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Ryder had a mediocre season and stepped it up against his former team.

C'est normal.

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I don't know, it seems everybody renews their career when they leave the habs something that seems unlikely to have happened if they stayed. There is something about playing for this team that sucks the life out of soo many players.

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Ryder had a mediocre season and stepped it up against his former team.

C'est normal.
His "mediocre season" would have place him amongst our best players this year...

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I agree, we shouldn't give up on guys with horrible seasons like Pleky, the Kost brothers and Price (second half). That being said, I'd still modify the makeup of this team. I also worry about the Montreal syndrome, in which guys decide to have the most horrible patch of their careers before taking off elsewhere.

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I really don't miss him.

I miss Julien, though.

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Ryder had a mediocre season and stepped it up against his former team.

C'est normal.
He was better then mediocre.
He had a good season and scored more goals then any hab.

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His "mediocre season" would have place him amongst our best players this year...
Meh. We sucked.

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His "mediocre season" would have place him amongst our best players this year...
And was his only sub 25 goals season in career...

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Montreal fans are just a whiny bunch that focus on players mistakes here and there and once the players are labeled the fans will rub it in no matter what.

On the upside, other fans around (ie: Sabres fans) are starting to catch up.

The funniest thing is that whoever is our coach is doomed at some point to be considered a "dumb" person that doesn't know anything about coaching...

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I honestly didn't think Ryder played so badly last season. He just got buried in Carbo's doghouse and Carbo wouldn't give him an adequate opportunity to get his scoring touch going. Gainey didn't trade him at the deadline last season and mentioned in the press conference that Ryder offers some special skills. Carbo continued to bench him.

Julien said today that all Ryder needed was to get his confidence back. That comes with adequate ice-time. I noticed Julien had Ryder on the ice late in tonight's game defending a one goal lead and Ryder was backchecking like crazy.

He's a quality NHL'er and we could certainly use a proven 30 goal guy in his prime years that we developed. He always seemed like a nice guy as well.

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Ryder had 12 million reasons to have a comeback season......

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Yup,

I knew Ryder would do well somewhere else. The guy was underappreciated here big time. I still remember the "I hate Ryder" threads.

Anyways, it was pretty clear that Carbo wasn't his biggest fan. It was never going to work with Guy as the coach. Too bad we didn't get rid of Guy instead.

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His "mediocre season" would have place him amongst our best players this year...
Only because all our best players got major injuries.

Which is, incidentally, the reason why most of them have "sucked".

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Last year: Didn't backcheck, didn't cover his man, didn't hit, didn't make good passes, was -1000, was called soft, a *****, uselless, dumb as a puck and generally sucked.
Your froget another important part of his season last year, He Didnt Play...

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different and much better team einstein
Doesn't change the fact he still has skills and put the puck in the net. He's not a washed up loser like everyone thought he was going to be.

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Even a monkey with a smelly finger could have had a great season on the Bruins this year.

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different and much better team
Face the fact... Ryder is a good player who will score 25-30 goals a season when used properly. He did it for us as well didn't he?

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I really don't miss him.

I miss Julien, though.
LOL Funny i always felt the other way. I liked Ryder. Still do actually. Classy responses when asked about last year

I never liked julien. Still don't.

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LOL Funny i always felt the other way. I liked Ryder. Still do actually. Classy responses when asked about last year

I never liked julien. Still don't.
Did you see his CBC interview? He lit up with a giant smile when they asked if he was happy to stick it to his old team. I think he does bear a grudge.

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Doesn't change the fact he still has skills and put the puck in the net. He's not a washed up loser like everyone thought he was going to be.
Sure, but the Habs had a limited payroll, a lot of kinds needing spots (the Kostitsyns, Latendresse, etc...) and decided to replace him with Tanguay, who is a much, much better player.

I like Ryder. But that doesn't mean it was a mistake to let him go. (Same with Streit actually.)

Besides, I wonder how much Carbonneau there was to Ryder's decline. Carbo was never very good at dealing with talented scorer-type players.

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04-20-2009, 11:39 PM
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Did you see his CBC interview? He lit up with a giant smile when they asked if he was happy to stick it to his old team. I think he does bear a grudge.
There isn't a player or coach in the world who doesn't like to stick it to their old team. Don't you like to beat your friends in a competition? He was still very classy in his response.

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Yup,

I knew Ryder would do well somewhere else. The guy was underappreciated here big time. I still remember the "I hate Ryder" threads.

Anyways, it was pretty clear that Carbo wasn't his biggest fan. It was never going to work with Guy as the coach. Too bad we didn't get rid of Guy instead.
Ryder is on his way to the second round of the playoffs while Carboneau is unemployed..... who would have thought ....

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hmmm..perhaps the coaches?

players tend to play better without media and fans on them 24/7

we need players who crave the attention..

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