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04-20-2009, 10:53 PM
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Face the fact... Ryder is a good player who will score 25-30 goals a season when used properly. He did it for us as well didn't he?
I told you ryder would leave JL, you wouldnt listen. he would of never been used properly here, everyone knew he would play better elsewhere, but the players he played with this year are in another league than all the canadiens he ever played with

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04-20-2009, 11:01 PM
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Ryder is not a good player. The only thing the guy can do is shoot and can't create his own shot. I knew he would put up numbers in boston but figured he would play with a good playmaker like savard but krejci's awesome season let ryder put up the numbers. The only guys we have in montreal that can make ryder good is tanguay and koivu. I think ryder is much more effective when he's not a main scoring source as he would be in montreal. People would focus on him alot more here whereas while on the bruins theyre offense is good and he really isn't up there as an option making his job easier to get open and rip one in the net. Dagenais would have scored 30 goals on the bruins team

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04-20-2009, 11:05 PM
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Doesn't change the fact he still has skills and put the puck in the net. He's not a washed up loser like everyone thought he was going to be.
Neither is Lang. You win some, you lose some.

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04-20-2009, 11:12 PM
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Bob should have traded him with Halak and a 2nd

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04-20-2009, 11:13 PM
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What you need is a better mix of players. Ryder works his magic 'cause he has no choice of doing it with the quality of this team and the guys around him. Great leadership, tons of skills and a high tempo game with some great physical play.

Build a team so the "weakest" would have no choice.

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04-20-2009, 11:15 PM
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What you need is a better mix of players. Ryder works his magic 'cause he has no choice of doing it with the quality of this team and the guys around him. Great leadership, tons of skills and a high tempo game with some great physical play.

Build a team so the "weakest" would have no choice.
But he only had one bad season for us...

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04-20-2009, 11:16 PM
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Ryder had a mediocre season and stepped it up against his former team.

C'est normal.
27 goals in only 70 games was still good enough to be the 50th in the league. Injury kept him from 30-35.

Was a +28, with 7 game winners

I'll take that mediocre season to the bank...

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04-20-2009, 11:19 PM
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I'd like to see pleks gone. His 'girly' play in the post-season is not needed.

Good coaching next season might help some of our other players regroup too.

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04-20-2009, 11:21 PM
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Bob should have traded him with Halak and a 2nd
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04-20-2009, 11:22 PM
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But he only had one bad season for us...
Nobody knows how he would have responded if he would have ended up with the Isles or any other team for that matter.

I was also talking about in general. That's how you have guys pulling in the right direction. That's why you shouldn't put AKost in the garbage. Clearly another candidate to make us look bad.

As far as Ryder's case is concerned, clearly giving him 1-year contract after 1-year contract despite great seasons after another, had to tell him that he wasn't liked and could have just stop caring and knowing he would be picked up anyway. Which he was. And was given the confidence needed, the first time in his career that it happened as a NHL player.

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04-20-2009, 11:30 PM
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Last year: Didn't backcheck, didn't cover his man, didn't hit, didn't make good passes, was -1000, was called soft, a *****, uselless, dumb as a puck and generally sucked.

This year: Backchecks, plays his man, hits hard, makes good passes, and scores the game winners.

Guys with talent don't need to be given up on. Bad years happen. Most guys learn from them and get better.
Julien >> Carbonneau, who wasted a useful player

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04-20-2009, 11:33 PM
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Ryder had a mediocre season and stepped it up against his former team.

C'est normal.

He had a mediocre season with the Bruins? But for injury he would have had 30+ goals and his +/- put his former team to shame.

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04-20-2009, 11:36 PM
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Amen!
Who was he playing under when he looked like he didn't give two craps and was making paper planes??..

Yours truly, Carbo.

That being said, Gainey never showed much trust by giving him 1year deals.

Is this the ''let's go whine about the players let go by Gainey that are doing well'' thread?

We had Ryder in our line up last year and I didn't hear too many people whine about him signing in Boston last summer.
If anything, most people were laughing at his contract deal.

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04-20-2009, 11:39 PM
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but, but , but he made a paper airplane last year, that's unforgiveable

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04-20-2009, 11:42 PM
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Good coaching next season might help some of our other players regroup too.
This is what I agree with. Dumping young players because they had one bad season is a surefire way of making stars on other teams who will haunt you, as Ryder has done in this series.

Instead, the Habs should try to take advantage of the situation and 'buy low' by signing as many of their UFA/RFAs (for 'reasonable' money) as budget allows (can't keep all of 'em) and focus on getting a quality, EXPERIENCED NHL coach. Enough of the rookie show.

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04-20-2009, 11:45 PM
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Who was he playing under when he looked like he didn't give two craps and was making paper planes??..

Yours truly, Carbo.

That being said, Gainey never showed much trust by giving him 1year deals.

Is this the ''let's go whine about the players let go by Gainey that are doing well'' thread?

We had Ryder in our line up last year and I didn't hear too many people whine about him signing in Boston last summer.
If anything, most people were laughing at his contract deal.
Like I also mentioned, Habs didn't have confidence in him by the contracts they were giving him. So he had lost confidence in them as well. As far as his signing with Boston, sorry but I read a whole lot of "I won't be surprised with Julien if he goes back in scoring 30 goals". Contract looked bad, and might look bad next year or the year after when he settles, but then, we can't tell for sure 'cause since he joined the Habs, that's the first time that a team shows that they're having confidence in him.

At one point, people should start reconizing that having confidence plays a whole lot in how a player plays.

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04-20-2009, 11:50 PM
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Who was he playing under when he looked like he didn't give two craps and was making paper planes??..

Yours truly, Carbo.
And who was he playing under the year before when he potted 30?

The fact is that players, especially ones with limited talent, will go through slumps or bad seasons. The OP is saying that we should stop giving up on those young players and he's right!

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04-21-2009, 12:26 PM
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Ryder is first and foremost a goalscorer...he finds open ice as good as anyone in the league...he has one of the best releases in the NHL; his shot is hard, heavy, and accurate...he's scored 126 goals in his 5 years in the NHL (not sure where that ranks him in the entire league)...he never complains...he's well liked in the dressing room...he's Canadian!...he will not make a bad team good, but he has the ability to make a good team better.

Why on earth would Gainey want to sign a guy like that? It makes no sense at all.
We need more small, skilled, soft Europeans, american highschoolers, and washed up former habs to make the 101st year a success. Bring back Mario Trembley!!!

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04-21-2009, 12:30 PM
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Last year: Didn't backcheck, didn't cover his man, didn't hit, didn't make good passes, was -1000, was called soft, a *****, uselless, dumb as a puck and generally sucked.

This year: Backchecks, plays his man, hits hard, makes good passes, and scores the game winners.

Guys with talent don't need to be given up on. Bad years happen. Most guys learn from them and get better.
How they forget. We hated Ryder even when he scored 30 goals! He was damn useless.

The difference with Boston is that he may be the 9th forward in importance for them so he doesn't have to be one of the top guys in Boston.

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Didn't some people call him the most useless 30 goal scorer in the league?

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04-21-2009, 12:36 PM
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Montreal elected to let Ryder go to make room for Tanguay, a much better player.

Then they had Andrei K and Chris Higgins who, while disappointing this season, were both much more complete players last season.

Ryder is a good player, but it doesn't follow that letting him go was a mistake.

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04-21-2009, 12:46 PM
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How they forget. We hated Ryder even when he scored 30 goals! He was damn useless.

The difference with Boston is that he may be the 9th forward in importance for them so he doesn't have to be one of the top guys in Boston.
He's our #2 RW and probably our 5-6th most important forward. Just thought I'd mention. When he was hurt we tanked pretty bad.

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04-21-2009, 12:48 PM
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I'm thinking this team needs the same personal power coach the Canucks grabbed, in Ryan Walter. Its all about the confidence and mental issues, they need something to shake them up next year.

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I'm thinking this team needs the same personal power coach the Canucks grabbed, in Ryan Walter. Its all about the confidence and mental issues, they need something to shake them up next year.
Or....maybe they need an...



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04-21-2009, 12:54 PM
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27 goals in only 70 games was still good enough to be the 50th in the league. Injury kept him from 30-35.

Was a +28, with 7 game winners

I'll take that mediocre season to the bank...
Once again you don't understand anything, what a surprise.

You do know there is a bruins board somewhere on this site?

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