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08-03-2008, 10:22 AM
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Unsigned Euro Prospects-re Juraj Mikus

Does anyone know what the rules are under the CBA with regards European players who were not signed by their drafting clubs? I know undrafted players are UFA after they reach age 23, but am curious if the same rules apply to unsigned draft picks?
The reason I bring this up, Montreal drafted forward Juraj Mikus in the 2005 draft in the 4th round. At the time he was considered, especially by the writer of the draft preview here on HF as a very good player. I watched him at the development camp in 2006, I was impressed by him, and thought skillwise he was a man amongst boys. He played a year with Chicoutimi in the Q did well for a 1st year in NA, was not signed by Montreal apparently because there was no room for him under the 50 contract rule, and went back to Slovakia to play.
I took a look at how he did in the Slovakian league and was impressed by how much he has progressed in a two year span and wondered if there is any chance Montreal would bring him over next season. I know that Carbonneau is a part owner of Chicoutimi, but don't know if they have any connection. We found room for Lahti, and for unsigned players from college and the Q with the organization, his kid who is only 21 looks like he could be a real quality addition for the team next year and probably not at a huge cost. He is 6'1 200 lbs and a righthand shot.

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08-03-2008, 10:41 AM
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We no longer own Mikus' rights... he is UFA.

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He re-enter the draft and no team wanted him.....

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I dont see Lahti in the Bulldogs roster, did he go back to Europe?

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08-03-2008, 11:16 AM
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We no longer own Mikus' rights... he is UFA.
Thiat we no longer hold his rights I am aware, the question is at what age can he be signed as an UFA, I know that after he was not signed he was eligible for the draft again, not an UFA, the question is after how many years does a drafted Euro player have the right to sign wherever he wants? Must he wait to age 23 like unsigned Euro players?

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I dont see Lahti in the Bulldogs roster, did he go back to Europe?
yes, he signed in Finland with Jokerit

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yes, he signed in Finland with Jokerit
Wow... that was a short 'experiment'..thanks!

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Wow... that was a short 'experiment'..thanks!
I think he quickly realised he wasnt going to make the big club

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Thiat we no longer hold his rights I am aware, the question is at what age can he be signed as an UFA, I know that after he was not signed he was eligible for the draft again, not an UFA, the question is after how many years does a drafted Euro player have the right to sign wherever he wants? Must he wait to age 23 like unsigned Euro players?
I think once he is over 20 and has passed through the entire draft without being picked he is a UFA.... but I'm not sure on that.

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Skillswise, he did have more skills than a lot of players at the dev. camps, fluid skating, greatstickhandling, didn't seem to mind, though he wasn't physical, to rough it up once in a while.

He's part of my list of "Guys I like and didn't it would make it but eventually didn't..." like Oskari Korpikari and to a lesser extent JP Côté.

While he wasn't as explosive, Mikus makes me think of Josef Balej. Though that type of player if he develops well could turn out into something quite interesting à la Afinogenov or to a lesser extent a guy like Ladislav Nagy.

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Thiat we no longer hold his rights I am aware, the question is at what age can he be signed as an UFA, I know that after he was not signed he was eligible for the draft again, not an UFA, the question is after how many years does a drafted Euro player have the right to sign wherever he wants? Must he wait to age 23 like unsigned Euro players?
He's a UFA and can be signed at any time as far as I know.

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Mikus last (and only) chance to get re-drafted was the 2008 draft.

Europeens players are eligible for the draft until they are 21 year-old but not if they are almost 22 year-old (turns 22 between after ther draft and the end of December).

So I think any undrafted euro players born in 1987 or before are UFA right now, after the 2009 draft it will be the 1988 born players, ect...

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I think he quickly realised he wasnt going to make the big club
He could not really even make the farm club at AHL level. It says a lot about pro-hockey caliber in Finland ! Even Hailey Wickenheiser can play there.

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He could not really even make the farm club at AHL level. It says a lot about pro-hockey caliber in Finland ! Even Hailey Wickenheiser can play there.
How do you know he wasn't able to make it? He played 1 year with Chicoutimi and did fine, 71 points in 60 games for a guy who was at his first year in NA.....we are ecstatic about a prospect even with poorer stats than that but then 'cause he went back to Europe he wasn't good?


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He could not really even make the farm club at AHL level. It says a lot about pro-hockey caliber in Finland ! Even Hailey Wickenheiser can play there.
Hailey played Division II....

Division II ---> Division I ---> Finnish Elite League

Its like the ECHL compared to the NHL.

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How do you know he wasn't able to make it? He played 1 year with Chicoutimi and did fine, 71 points in 60 games for a guy who was at his first year in NA.....we are ecstatic about a prospect even with poorer stats than that but then 'cause he went back to Europe he wasn't good?
I think he was referring to Lahti, not Mikus.

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Hailey played Division II....

Division II ---> Division I ---> Finnish Elite League

Its like the ECHL compared to the NHL.
If you mean it's the second tier below the FEL then yeah it's "like the ECHL compared to the NHL". But NHLers could humiliate ECHLers beyond belief. I'm not sure if the difference in skill between the FEL and Division II is as great as between the NHL and ECHL

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If you mean it's the second tier below the FEL then yeah it's "like the ECHL compared to the NHL". But NHLers could humiliate ECHLers beyond belief. I'm not sure if the difference in skill between the FEL and Division II is as great as between the NHL and ECHL
Well i know that when Hailey's team was promoted from DII to DI she was considered not good enough anymore and cut.

I think there is quite a step up there, maybe not as great as you suggest... but we should consider the FEL is already around AHL caliber to begin with, maybe slightly worse.

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Can someone tell me more about this guy, its amazing to think he scored 90 ponits this season at his age. He has been playing pro hockey fow a while its too bad Monteal didnt sign him, he would have been a good investment.

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