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04-22-2009, 08:17 AM
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Imagine what today's media attention and criticism would have done to these players when they had the bolded season? And how did Montreal end up again by sticking with these guys?

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Ryder got the short end of the stick here. When he signed in Boston it was written in the sky that he would be back to a 25 to 30 goals scorer.

Good for him.

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Now put this current team against a team that includes:

Mark Streit
Ron Hainsey
Mike Ribeiro
Francois Beauchemin
Michael Ryder

I think you could insert those players in place of a couple others that were purchased this year and last, and you would have a better team that would fit under a cap.

Streit - Markov
Komisarek - Hainsey
Beauchemin - Hamrlik

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Now put this current team against a team that includes:

Mark Streit
Ron Hainsey
Mike Ribeiro
Francois Beauchemin
Michael Ryder

I think you could insert those players in place of a couple others that were purchased this year and last, and you would have a better team that would fit under a cap.

Streit - Markov
Komisarek - Hainsey
Beauchemin - Hamrlik
I prefer Gorges to Hainsey
I prefer Tanguay to Ryder
I prefer Schneider to Streit

Ribeiro and Beauchemin were mistakes that even Gainey admits.

Believe it or not but it was Claude Juilien who didn't like Beauchemin and Hanisey coming out of his stint as coach in Hamilton. The people who advised Gainey on those two moves (since he didn't know the organization when he joined) were Andre Savard and Claude Julien. Soon after, both were fired.

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I prefer Gorges to Hainsey
I prefer Tanguay to Ryder
I prefer Schneider to Streit

Ribeiro and Beauchemin were mistakes that even Gainey admits.

Believe it or not but it was Claude Juilien who didn't like Beauchemin and Hanisey coming out of his stint as coach in Hamilton. The people who advised Gainey on those two moves (since he didn't know the organization when he joined) were Andre Savard and Claude Julien. Soon after, both were fired.
Everyone has their preferences for players, but I would also point out that 99/100 fans of other teams also would prefer you to have Gorges, Tanguay and Schneider against them rather than Hainsey, Ryder and Streit.

Plus if the others are still in MTL, Gorges is in the AHL on a call-up basis developing his game. I still don't see the Tanguay over Ryder argument but that is probably because he was a Bruin killer and this season has been a killer Bruin so I have a bias.

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Michael Ryder isn't a better player than he was. He still floats (although Julien knows when to bench him), and is still mostly effective at 5 on 5. Don't count on him to play physical or to be aware defensively..
Don't count on him to play physical or be aware defensively? Funny, because he has been doing that all year. So why wouldn't you expect it now? He was 5th on the Bruins in hits (3rd among forwards) with 107 and his +/- was 28. That sonds physical and defensive minded.

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No, the main difference is that Ryder is playing under Julien, and mostly WITH BETTER PLAYERS.
That's it.
He played most the year with more talented players: Krejci and Wheeler.
2nd/3rd line players (depending on where you put the Bergeron line). Still put up 26 goals, even with missing 10 or 11 games. I guess Boston has more talent on their 2nd/3rd line than the Habs do on their first.


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Good analysis??
Your good analysis, if I remember correctly was that Ryder a "useless 30 goal scorer", and how power play goals were useless.

why don't you just admit that the Habs could use him and his particular set of skills at this time of the year?


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Don't count on him to play physical or be aware defensively? Funny, because he has been doing that all year. So why wouldn't you expect it now? He was 5th on the Bruins in hits (3rd among forwards) with 107 and his +/- was 28. That sonds physical and defensive minded.



2nd/3rd line players (depending on where you put the Bergeron line). Still put up 26 goals, even with missing 10 or 11 games. I guess Boston has more talent on their 2nd/3rd line than the Habs do on their first.




Good analysis??
Your good analysis, if I remember correctly was that Ryder a "useless 30 goal scorer", and how power play goals were useless.

why don't you just admit that the Habs could use him and his particular set of skills at this time of the year?
Because everyone went to such great lengths to chase him and criticize him, then not develop or show any faith in him. Players talk, and once word gets around about how you treat players it isn't long before you are out in the cold.

It's a catch 22 right now. Montreal cannot attract free agents for reasonable prices (Players like Briere, Lecavalier, St.Louis etc should be wanting to play in Montreal) and it is hard to develop young talent with the constant scrutiny the kids are put under. (Komisarek, D'Agostini, Pacorietty, Price, Kostitsyn, O'Byrne, etc)

There has to be a new philosophy and direction with the way the players are treated. They will respond tenfold if treated the right way and allowed to wear the CH proudly.

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I still don't see the Tanguay over Ryder argument but that is probably because he was a Bruin killer and this season has been a killer Bruin so I have a bias.
I don't understand. Ryder is a good sniper who does most of his best work on the PP, whereas Tanguay is an elite playmaker and two-way player who is a very strong even-strength producer and has been for years.

Tanguay is a much better player than Ryder, it's not even close.

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There has to be a new philosophy and direction with the way the players are treated. They will respond tenfold if treated the right way and allowed to wear the CH proudly.
Unfortunately, that's entirely out of the Canadiens' management's hands. By all account the Habs themselves are a first-class organization, but they have to deal with actively hateful media and bipolar (and often hateful) fans.

The media covering the Bruins are full of Bruins homers. So are the media covering the Habs: full of Bruins homers...

(Okay, it's only PJ Stock, but I bet you don't have a blind Habs homer on sports radio in Boston. I also bet you don't have a columnist in a serious newspaper openly rejoicing that the team's best player got injured and actively hoping the team would get swept in the hopes it would spell the end of the GM -- but Montreal has one.)

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pretty much what us realist fans been saying since the beginning...bad years happen, players get over it and fans should too.

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Because everyone went to such great lengths to chase him and criticize him, then not develop or show any faith in him. Players talk, and once word gets around about how you treat players it isn't long before you are out in the cold.

It's a catch 22 right now. Montreal cannot attract free agents for reasonable prices (Players like Briere, Lecavalier, St.Louis etc should be wanting to play in Montreal) and it is hard to develop young talent with the constant scrutiny the kids are put under. (Komisarek, D'Agostini, Pacorietty, Price, Kostitsyn, O'Byrne, etc)

There has to be a new philosophy and direction with the way the players are treated. They will respond tenfold if treated the right way and allowed to wear the CH proudly.
I completely agree with you !
I have been saying the same thing for a while now.

This is the kind of posting HABS & BRUINS fans need to do on each other's boards.
Polite intelligent discussions.
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I completely agree with you !
I have been saying the same thing for a while now.

This is the kind of posting HABS & BRUINS fans need to do on each other's boards.
Polite intelligent discussions.
Cheers !
Right back at you. I have my best discussions with Canadiens fans. I never see the value of trash talking, and karma is a *****. My above posts pretty much sum up my feelings on the issue.

Lets keep the good conversations going!

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I don't understand. Ryder is a good sniper who does most of his best work on the PP, whereas Tanguay is an elite playmaker and two-way player who is a very strong even-strength producer and has been for years.

Tanguay is a much better player than Ryder, it's not even close.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I think Ryder has been absolutely stunning this year even strength and his +/- reflects that. Furthermore, all his points this post-season were even-strength and with the exception of last year, Ryder has put up fantastic numbers for both teams.

Tonight, he proved it again. As of right now he is the NHL Leading Playoff Scorer. He is Leading in goals and points. He is also only 1 point behind Krejci for leading in +/- for the playoffs as well.

Furthermore, he had 27 goals this year, and only 10 on the powerplay. He also had 7 game-winning goals for the Bruins.

His plus 28 can be taken either way, but your comments regarding him only being a sniper are flat out wrong.

In contrast, we have Alex Tanguay who scored 16 goals, and 5 of them on the powerplay and 3 were game-winners. His +13 is less than half of Ryder and all garbage about him choosing not to play when asked to aside, Ryder was present for all four playoff games. You can question a persons toughness and ability to step up and play, and we'll probably now find out how injured Tanguay really was, but by looking at this years production, stats and playoff performances, you're right...it isn't even close.

Please give credit where credit is due, and any reply or response to the debate is welcomed.

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We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I think Ryder has been absolutely stunning this year even strength and his +/- reflects that. Furthermore, all his points this post-season were even-strength and with the exception of last year, Ryder has put up fantastic numbers for both teams.
Hey, I like Ryder, but for Montreal he was mainly a power play producer. Regardless -- Tanguay has been one of the leading even-strength scorers in the entire league for three years, post-lockout, until Calgary turned him into a checker out of desperation. Even then, he has been one of Calgary's leading even-strength scorers while opposing checking top lines with Conroy and Nolan. He's never been a minus player in his entire career.

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In contrast, we have Alex Tanguay who scored 16 goals, and 5 of them on the powerplay and 3 were game-winners. His +13 is less than half of Ryder and all garbage about him choosing not to play when asked to aside, Ryder was present for all four playoff games. You can question a persons toughness and ability to step up and play, and we'll probably now find out how injured Tanguay really was, but by looking at this years production, stats and playoff performances, you're right...it isn't even close.
Tanguay also played a lot less games due to injury. Per ES icetime, Ryder and Tanguay scored about the same number of goals and points -- and that was not a good season for Tanguay (who had to recover from serious injury, after all) whereas it was a career season for Ryder in that department. Tanguay is also an excellent defensive forward (that's why Calgary used him to carry their checking line last year) which is not something I'd say of Ryder, though I do think he was underrated.

And please spare me the injury nonsense. It's outright insulting to him. He was hurt, and this is the first year Tanguay has actually suffered a serious injury.

I'm sorry, but I think you'd have to be crazy or a blind homer to take Ryder ahead of Tanguay.

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Call me a homer then cause Ryder showed up for every single game this year. Tanguay on the other hand was invisible half the time.

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Call me a homer then cause Ryder showed up for every single game this year. Tanguay on the other hand was invisible half the time.
Yeah... 'cause he was hurt for those games.

Tanguay is a lot like Markov: not always flashy, quiet, but damned effective. You don't always realize just how good he is because he doesn't do the highlight reel every night, but then you realize how much he just makes things work around him.

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carbo thought benching ryder was the right move...thank you guy

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carbo thought benching ryder was the right move...thank you guy
****ing lame! Blame Carbo all you want but this very board was all over Ryder and has been for 3 years before! When it wasn't his offensive production, it was his defensive liability, his +/-, his stick handling, his toe-drag, his lack of passing and vision on the ice, being called a one-trick pony...

Stop with the excuses already!

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****ing lame! Blame Carbo all you want but this very board was all over Ryder and has been for 3 years before! When it wasn't his offensive production, it was his defensive liability, his +/-, his stick handling, his toe-drag, his lack of passing and vision on the ice, being called a one-trick pony...
All those complaints were overblown, though. Ryder wasn't scoring, and that was about the only thing he was doing wrong that he didn't do in previous years. He was hesitant, lacking in confidence, and the puck wouldn't go in for him.

He was a one-trick pony, but his trick was very valuable. Unfortunately, when he momentarily lost his mojo, it made him not very useful (though he was underrated defensively).

Carbo, never very good with dealing with scorer types, gave up on him. I don't think it was a bad decision per se, but it surely didn't help.

Gainey let him go to make room for Tanguay, which was a clear, obvious upgrade. Ryder wasn't a bad player, he hadn't just turned into suck, but it doesn't follow that the decision to let him go was not a good one.

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ryder is moving on to the 2nd round and carbo is left jobless.

quite fitting that the same idiots that boo the anthem and mock price are chanting carbo as the season winds down

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Hey, I like Ryder, but for Montreal he was mainly a power play producer. Regardless -- Tanguay has been one of the leading even-strength scorers in the entire league for three years, post-lockout, until Calgary turned him into a checker out of desperation. Even then, he has been one of Calgary's leading even-strength scorers while opposing checking top lines with Conroy and Nolan. He's never been a minus player in his entire career.



Tanguay also played a lot less games due to injury. Per ES icetime, Ryder and Tanguay scored about the same number of goals and points -- and that was not a good season for Tanguay (who had to recover from serious injury, after all) whereas it was a career season for Ryder in that department. Tanguay is also an excellent defensive forward (that's why Calgary used him to carry their checking line last year) which is not something I'd say of Ryder, though I do think he was underrated.

And please spare me the injury nonsense. It's outright insulting to him. He was hurt, and this is the first year Tanguay has actually suffered a serious injury.

I'm sorry, but I think you'd have to be crazy or a blind homer to take Ryder ahead of Tanguay.
First bolded point. You have at least addressed how Montreal did not effectively use Ryder or coach him in any manner to develop his play. Contrastly, The Boston Bruins have turned him into a complete player (highlights of his backchecking, hitting, and passing can be seen throughout the series and year). This is a classic case in teams being able to develop players and their skills as oppose to ignoring them (literally, in his case) and just letting him walk after beginning his development.

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Call me a homer then cause Ryder showed up for every single game this year. Tanguay on the other hand was invisible half the time.
This is something that doesn't always show up on the stats sheets, but was very apparent all year long. Montreal fans got to see first hand this series how much Ryder has developed his game and become a complete player. Tanguay was invisible this whole series. Even down the stretch he was only a blip on the radar and whether it was his injury or being removed from the first line, he wasn't matching Ryder on stats, skill, or intensity out there.

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****ing lame! Blame Carbo all you want but this very board was all over Ryder and has been for 3 years before! When it wasn't his offensive production, it was his defensive liability, his +/-, his stick handling, his toe-drag, his lack of passing and vision on the ice, being called a one-trick pony...

Stop with the excuses already!
Exactly. +100. He was being openly criticized by everyone and ignored by his coaches. If you read up on his interviews this year he makes it very clear that in Boston they work through the slumps with the players in great detail and slowly give them opportunities to not only work on specific aspects of the game, but also small confidence-building scenarios.

Which is the main point of the debate that was first initiated. Micheal Ryder was a Montreal Canadien who was young, strong and had put up quality scoring for them for years. His one bad season (whether it is him alone, or the coaching staff as well) resulted in Montreal letting him walk away after developing him in his first seasons. This is a trend that Montreal needs to stop now before their next crop of very talented young players are forced out of town.

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All those complaints were overblown, though. Ryder wasn't scoring, and that was about the only thing he was doing wrong that he didn't do in previous years. He was hesitant, lacking in confidence, and the puck wouldn't go in for him.

He was a one-trick pony, but his trick was very valuable. Unfortunately, when he momentarily lost his mojo, it made him not very useful (though he was underrated defensively).

Carbo, never very good with dealing with scorer types, gave up on him. I don't think it was a bad decision per se, but it surely didn't help.

Gainey let him go to make room for Tanguay, which was a clear, obvious upgrade. Ryder wasn't a bad player, he hadn't just turned into suck, but it doesn't follow that the decision to let him go was not a good one.
I think the evidence provided by Micheal Ryder this year clearly proves that he was not a 'one-trick pony' like many people chose to label him as, and his development and talents were wasted and not invested into properly in Montreal. This once again comes back to the poor efforts by the Montreal Canadiens of developing their players properly and always continuing to work on their game.

It's called coaching. Anyone can stand behind a bench and toss lines out on the ice. Anyone can run players through drills and strength training. If I gave up on my players and allowed them to downward spiral as atheletes and people than I am not coaching them, I am babysitting and training them.

Montreal has a deep history of bringing up talent, developing it, and staying the course with players. I provided a couple of examples above of players who spent decades with the Canadiens and even though they had a bad season or two, were allowed to grow as players. Somewhere along the line in the last 15 years they have lost sight of that, and now players are either being chased out of town prematurely, or leaving on their own to develop in other franchises.

There is a reason why players seem to be playing so much better after leaving Montreal recently. They are brought into a new system of coaches who work on developing their game and weaknesses.

This trend has to stop at once. This new century must begin with a philosophy change where players are coached and taught every aspect of the game. Otherwise Kostitsyn, Price, Subban, Weber, Komisarek, O'Byrne, D'Agonstini, Pacorietty, Chipchura and they rest of your young talent will put in their beginning years in the Mecca, and leave the day UFA hits.

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Nice to see Gainey's comments and defense of his players today!

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Nice to see Gainey's comments and defense of his players today!
Were you expecting anything else from him ? He never attacks players, especially his own. Heck - he did not even want to pick on Grabovski after he injured Markov on purpose.

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Habs passed on Ryder and Streit because they knew they'd be getting big UFA premiums, .
At the beginning of the year I had a conversation with a friend who is a habs fan and I said that Streit leaving would hurt the Habs. He laughed in my face, Streit at 4.1 million is a DEAL, no dobut in my mind. You let the second best player on your team go last year.

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At the beginning of the year I had a conversation with a friend who is a habs fan and I said that Streit leaving would hurt the Habs. He laughed in my face, Streit at 4.1 million is a DEAL, no dobut in my mind. You let the second best player on your team go last year.
Streit was NEVER our second best player, let alone our second best d-man, last year. Markov and Komisarek were way better in their own zone and Streit recorded many of his ES points at forward, which as it turns out caused Ryder to play 4th line minutes. Top 5 but behind Kovalev, Andrei Kostitsyn, Markov and Price.

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