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04-24-2009, 10:52 AM
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wasn't Savard like that earlier in his career?
very much so...amongst other things too.

Savvy has grown up...as well as learned to play 2 way hockey.


Kessel has a long way to go in that regard. He needs to be surrounded by leaders and a solid coach. Also bringing in his buddy Blake Wheeler seemed to add to the mix.

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I say bring Kessel and Patrick Kane (both Kostitsyn brother for him).

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04-24-2009, 11:02 AM
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Did you think Chara would have left a powerfull Ottawa team for a crappy Boston couple of years ago?

If the Bruins offer say 4 million to Kessel and an offer sheet comes in for him at 6 million you really think he and his agent won't accept it because it's Montreal?
I agree with you. Boston overpaid at the time .

I also believe that Montreal will now have to do the same and hope for it working out.
Whether it be Kessel or any other free agent.

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Put Kessel or Kreijci in our line up today, and they'll be just as soft A.Kost, Plek, etc..
Kessel is as soft as Charmin, but Krejci can play a physical game. He can play tough in the corners, he'll throw checks and take a hit to make a play (see his goal in game 4 when he bounced off Higgins, dished to Ryder and buried the return pass). I wouldn't call Krejci a monster by any means, but he doesn't shy away from all contact like Kessel.

That said, I wouldn't want to lose either guy to your roster.

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04-24-2009, 11:10 AM
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What would we have to give up in terms of draft picks to do this?

If i remember, its a lot, and im not sure its worth it for these 2 guys. Theyre good players, but I dont know about giving up like 5 picks for them.

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04-24-2009, 11:12 AM
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I'd like to see Gainey make an offer on Kessel just to make it so Boston has to overpay to keep him. If they don't match, then fine...we'll take Kessel of their hands. God I hate the Bruins...lol.

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04-24-2009, 11:12 AM
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Did Roy stay for the money and glory?
Do all the big free agents go there for the money or glory?
Do players want to be traded there for the money or glory?
I think they can refuse....
Dustin Penner...

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We could just give the 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks + Higgins + prospects to Atlanta for a signed Kovalchuk who will end up making the same money as Krejci/Kessel + Higgins + prospects.
that I like more

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What about Travis Zajac?? He would look very good in a habs uniform
Anyways I don't think Bob will go this route, but fun too speculate .

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What about Travis Zajac?? He would look very good in a habs uniform
Anyways I don't think Bob will go this route, but fun too speculate .
Forget Kessel.
How about Drew Stafford? I'd do an offer sheet of 3.9 million....
Travis Zajac? I'd do an offer sheet of 3.9 million for him too.
David Booth? 3.9 would be easy to justify for him too...
Ryan Callahan.... decent player... 3 mil offer?

How about Jack Johnson? He's a RFA too...
Juri Hudler is a center....


The list has some decent guys on it. I'm waiting till closer to July 1st to care about it...

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Dustin Penner...
He didn't sign in Montreal. But that is a good example of the type of overpayment RFA offer sheets usually are and why they are a bad idea.

I think Ranold is alluding to the fact that you guys have a really tough time at attracting free agents. The "money talks" phrase doesn't seem to apply to Montreal.

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Hossa turned down 10 million from Edmonton to go play for the Wings for like 7.4 something. Believe me the city and the organization weighs heavily on FA decisions almost as much as money. Besides Montreal had all this money last year and did nothing really with it because no one of interest wanted to play for Montreal. I can't imagine it would have gotten better with all the media this year and the fans, if anything your ability to sign FA have decreased.

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Put Kessel or Kreijci in our line up today, and they'll be just as soft A.Kost, Plek, etc..


This. Kessel is an enigma. He scores a goal a game for 3 weeks, then goes missing for awhile. He has improved his 2 way play, but is very, very soft. Like Samsonov soft.

Krejci is a guy to build a team around more than Kessel. He's still young though and there was a good chunk of the second half of the season where he was invisible. His shot is weaksauce as well. He's a slightly more offensiven version of Bergeron-in training

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Hossa turned down 10 million from Edmonton to go play for the Wings for like 7.4 something. Believe me the city and the organization weighs heavily on FA decisions almost as much as money. Besides Montreal had all this money last year and did nothing really with it because no one of interest wanted to play for Montreal. I can't imagine it would have gotten better with all the media this year and the fans, if anything your ability to sign FA have decreased.
Sadly i agree with this... we have to forget free-agency for a while or we have to lock the team from the medias (they are a real poison here).

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04-24-2009, 01:59 PM
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We somehow sign Krejci, I give it three days before someone realizes he's not big at all and people start screaming about giving so many draft pick for "another small center" who's "just like everyone else on the Habs".

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04-24-2009, 02:01 PM
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Besides Montreal had all this money last year and did nothing really with it because no one of interest wanted to play for Montreal. I can't imagine it would have gotten better with all the media this year and the fans, if anything your ability to sign FA have decreased.
Well it works both ways -- last year the Habs were looking for only a specific type of player of which there was essentially only one example on the market -- namely Mats Sundin. They had money to spend but there was no one they wanted to spend it on.

This year ought to be interesting. The fans and media in Montreal are terrible, of course, but Montreal also has lots of cap space and if the people involved have hockey expertise, will see that it had all the ingredients of a fluke down year. In other words, it's a good team with money. That could prove to be a rare type of buyer in the coming market -- the usual suspects, the Rangers and Flyers, are all tapped out after all.

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I think the media scrutiny would be too much for Kessel in Montreal. He's a quiet kid and it's known that talking to the media is not his favorite thing.

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This is a stupid idea. It is not Gainey's style at all. He doesn't go for RFAs because it makes you a target.

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I think the media scrutiny would be too much for Kessel in Montreal. He's a quiet kid and it's known that talking to the media is not his favorite thing.
Sounds like Andrei Markov and he doesn't seem to have too much trouble in Montreal.

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I wonder if the Bolts will make offers for

Higgins
Plekanec
and
Gorges

just a strange thought I had

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Sounds like Andrei Markov and he doesn't seem to have too much trouble in Montreal.
But Markov is already in Montreal. Don't think Kessel would want to play there and he'd have to agree to play there.

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But Markov is already in Montreal. Don't think Kessel would want to play there and he'd have to agree to play there.
There is that, but Gainey can point that out and if he's crazy enough to put the money down, I think Kessel's agent will be most persuasive -- even if he pitches it as forcing Boston to match.

That said, I don't think Gainey is crazy enough to make a sizable offer. I'd rather keep the draft picks than overpay a kid after one good season. I'd be leery of acquiring any Bruins actually -- they have all the makings of a fluke good season, and a lot of them, especially the kids, were likely playing over their heads.

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This is a stupid idea.
Good point, nevermind then.

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It is not Gainey's style at all. He doesn't go for RFAs because it makes you a target.
BG specifically mentioned in yesterday's press conference that he was open to making offer sheets.

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Boy, theres a formula for success for GM's, emulate what Kevin Lowe does. Ask him how much he wished he had payed for Penners 17 goals and 37 points while his team missed the playoffs again.

Chiarelli has already indicated he'd match offers for the two K's. I doubt Gainey does something like that, it's an open invitation to the other 29 GM's that it's fair game to give Price an offer sheet a year from now.

Your GM is indicating to the fans that he'll leave no stones unturned to improve your team. He'd be pretty silly to say anything else really.

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He didn't sign in Montreal. But that is a good example of the type of overpayment RFA offer sheets usually are and why they are a bad idea.

I think Ranold is alluding to the fact that you guys have a really tough time at attracting free agents. The "money talks" phrase doesn't seem to apply to Montreal.
The point is that Penner went from a team that won the Cup to Edmonton of all places. He was a RFA and went for the money. Money does talk, whether you want to admit it or not.

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