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04-24-2009, 01:02 PM
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to be honest, i think the extra intensity and speed of the playoffs has helped carle. watching him during the season, you could almost see him overthink as a forward turned his skates inside out or got caught deciding to pinch or not. now, he just goes and does instead of thinking. for the most part, his instincts are correct and he's been making good plays in all three zones

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04-24-2009, 01:04 PM
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When people moan about our defense, I think they tend to forget that we have 3 defensmen under the age of 25 in our top 4.
And Jones on the third pairing, who has played one more career game than Coburn. Subtract Alberts, add Sbisa. and of course Timonen, and there's your six for next year, and it ain't bad.

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04-24-2009, 01:21 PM
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I think it is not umcommon for younger players to lose focus over the long, long haul of an 82 games season. There are few veterans, even, who have it cranked up all game every game for seven months. It's a grind, physically AND mentally.
I agree with this. Often young guys play to make money, so they try to be flashy.

Vets often play to hold the cup over their heads.

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04-24-2009, 01:22 PM
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to be honest, i think the extra intensity and speed of the playoffs has helped carle. watching him during the season, you could almost see him overthink as a forward turned his skates inside out or got caught deciding to pinch or not. now, he just goes and does instead of thinking. for the most part, his instincts are correct and he's been making good plays in all three zones
eh...I think he looked overwhelmed in the first two games of the series by the speed. he also showed off the fact that he is clueless whilst trying to defend 2-on-1s, which isn't something you expect to see from a D on the 2nd pairing and making that much $$. pretty much everyone looked good in Game 3 and 4 (though, I think he got caught in-between on way too many pucks in this one), and he was strong last night (lots of good pinches, though he did have one horrendous turnover).

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04-24-2009, 01:27 PM
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Back when we were struggling toward the end of the season, I suggested shaking up the top 4 a bit:

Timonen-Carle
Coburn-Parent

I really feel (perhaps more for next year as I wouldn't want to mix things up in a playoff situation) that these pairings will benefit each player the most. Carle gets the chance to roam around more with Timonen and the same goes for Coburn if he is paired with Parent. Give each paring equal ice time and you've got two great pairings that can play against top lines on any team.

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04-24-2009, 01:32 PM
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Back when we were struggling toward the end of the season, I suggested shaking up the top 4 a bit:

Timonen-Carle
Coburn-Parent

I really feel (perhaps more for next year as I wouldn't want to mix things up in a playoff situation) that these pairings will benefit each player the most. Carle gets the chance to roam around more with Timonen and the same goes for Coburn if he is paired with Parent. Give each paring equal ice time and you've got two great pairings that can play against top lines on any team.
I'm ok with these, but I'd just leave the pairings as is for now. They are playing great, so why change it?

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04-24-2009, 01:44 PM
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I'm ok with these, but I'd just leave the pairings as is for now. They are playing great, so why change it?
Yeah, that's why I said I wouldn't change them now, but these could be good for next year as long as we keep Carle.

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04-24-2009, 02:04 PM
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eh...I think he looked overwhelmed in the first two games of the series by the speed. he also showed off the fact that he is clueless whilst trying to defend 2-on-1s, which isn't something you expect to see from a D on the 2nd pairing and making that much $$. pretty much everyone looked good in Game 3 and 4 (though, I think he got caught in-between on way too many pucks in this one), and he was strong last night (lots of good pinches, though he did have one horrendous turnover).
I notice Coburn botch this play all the time too. I don't get it. Knowing how to play a 2 on 1 is one of the first things you learn as a defender. Why is it so hard for these guys to figure it out?

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04-24-2009, 02:12 PM
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i would like to see the D move the puck quicker out the zone to catch the pens flat footed. Alberts D has been good, but puck movement is still an issue.
It just took Alberts until April he was in a contract year
In all seriousness I dont think anyone should worry about Carle, Alberts or anyone else being a "fluke". They are playing well at the right time of the year.
Thats all that matters to me.

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04-24-2009, 02:16 PM
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It just took Alberts until April he was in a contract year
In all seriousness I dont think anyone should worry about Carle, Alberts or anyone else being a "fluke". They are playing well at the right time of the year.
Thats all that matters to me.
Only give him 1 year deals, and he will always be good in April!

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04-24-2009, 02:19 PM
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eh...I think he looked overwhelmed in the first two games of the series by the speed. he also showed off the fact that he is clueless whilst trying to defend 2-on-1s, which isn't something you expect to see from a D on the 2nd pairing and making that much $$. pretty much everyone looked good in Game 3 and 4 (though, I think he got caught in-between on way too many pucks in this one), and he was strong last night (lots of good pinches, though he did have one horrendous turnover).
The turnover when picnhing, if thats the one your talking about Cooke high sticked him and thats why he lost the puck

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The turnover when picnhing, if thats the one your talking about Cooke high sticked him and thats why he lost the puck
The Penguins never play dirty and don't high stick people.

If you don't believe me, just check their forum.

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The turnover when picnhing, if thats the one your talking about Cooke high sticked him and thats why he lost the puck
No, the one where he tried a finesse pass in the defensive zone and Coburn ended up saving his ass. On the whole, I thought the pairing played a strong game last night.

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I notice Coburn botch this play all the time too. I don't get it. Knowing how to play a 2 on 1 is one of the first things you learn as a defender. Why is it so hard for these guys to figure it out?
You'd have to search long and hard to find a D look more foolish than Carle did on his attempts earlier in this series. I'm still not sure what the hell he thought he was trying to do...

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04-24-2009, 02:23 PM
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I notice Coburn botch this play all the time too. I don't get it. Knowing how to play a 2 on 1 is one of the first things you learn as a defender. Why is it so hard for these guys to figure it out?
The Flyers as a team have sucked at defending 2-on-1's for 25 years. It's pretty much an automatic that the pass is going to get through.

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The Flyers as a team have sucked at defending 2-on-1's for 25 years. It's pretty much an automatic that the pass is going to get through.
Most teams suck at defending 2-on-1's. It's not exactly an easy thing to defend against.

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for my money, carle played his best game as a flyer last night. good timing.

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Carle made a nice play on a 2 on 1 when he had no stick and broke up the pass with his hand.

When you get to the level of these guys you pretty much need to turn a 2 on 1 into a 1 on 1 vs. the goalie and a 1 on 1 with the man without the puck. These guys, for the most part, are way too good at finding an open spot for a pass. And unless you are a D man named Lidstrom or Chara, chances are the pass is going to go past you.

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I haven't liked him, since we got him. He HAS played very well in games 4 and 5 though. If he can keep it up, he'll turn me around.

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Carle made a nice play on a 2 on 1 when he had no stick and broke up the pass with his hand.

When you get to the level of these guys you pretty much need to turn a 2 on 1 into a 1 on 1 vs. the goalie and a 1 on 1 with the man without the puck. These guys, for the most part, are way too good at finding an open spot for a pass. And unless you are a D man named Lidstrom or Chara, chances are the pass is going to go past you.
That's just not true...there are plenty of solid defensive defenseman who do a very good job with regularity of getting into the passing lane and denying the pass. Now, one-on-one with the goalie is always a dangerous proposition when it's that close as well...and ultimately you can't just let the shooter walk into the paint on your goalie either.

Carle was basically sticking his ass up in the air with a limp-wristed stick in no-man's land on those 2-on-1s early on...it was simply bizarre. You would expect him to get himself into a middle position between the two players...facing the shooter and have his stick/body in a position to deny the pass, while (ideally) maneuvering into a position to cut down on time and space for the shooter.

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That's just not true...there are plenty of solid defensive defenseman who do a very good job with regularity of getting into the passing lane and denying the pass. Now, one-on-one with the goalie is always a dangerous proposition when it's that close as well...and ultimately you can't just let the shooter walk into the paint on your goalie either.

Carle was basically sticking his ass up in the air with a limp-wristed stick in no-man's land on those 2-on-1s early on...it was simply bizarre. You would expect him to get himself into a middle position between the two players...facing the shooter and have his stick/body in a position to deny the pass, while (ideally) maneuvering into a position to cut down on time and space for the shooter.
Maybe you should get his cell phone number and tell him how he is ****ing up.

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Maybe you should get his cell phone number and tell him how he is ****ing up.
that's just it...what he did was so bizarrely NOT what you're supposed to do on those plays that I don't get it.

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See, I don't see why you guys are crying about the 2 on 1, yet nary a mention has been made of Kimmo royally screwing the pooch on a 2 on 1 in Game 4 which gave Pitt their 1st goal.

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See, I don't see why you guys are crying about the 2 on 1, yet nary a mention has been made of Kimmo royally screwing the pooch on a 2 on 1 in Game 4 which gave Pitt their 1st goal.
... because no one is perfect and we give Kimmo 1 mistake per game.

He hardly uses it anyway.

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... because no one is perfect and we give Kimmo 1 mistake per game.

He hardly uses it anyway.
Absolutely true, but Carle makes one mistake on a 2 on 1 and we hear no end of it.

Coburn was also far from mistake-free in the 1st period, anyone remember Malkin turning him inside out and getting 2 great scoring chances?

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Absolutely true, but Carle makes one mistake on a 2 on 1 and we hear no end of it.

Coburn was also far from mistake-free in the 1st period, anyone remember Malkin turning him inside out and getting 2 great scoring chances?
They keyword in that sentence is Malkin.

He makes vets look like Pee-wee hockey players.

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