HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Did the Canadiens make a mistake with Carey Price?

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-25-2009, 11:46 AM
  #26
JHabs
HFB Partner
 
JHabs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,356
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to JHabs
I'm not worried about Price, however I think we rushed him and should have let him obtain the AHL experience to become a more well-rounded goalie. He will just have to develop the hard way.

JHabs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 11:48 AM
  #27
ReVeuF
Registered User
 
ReVeuF's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,038
vCash: 500
Martin Brodeur
Goalie
Born May 6 1972 -- Montreal, PQ
Height 6.01 -- Weight 205

Selected by New Jersey Devils round 1 #20 overall 1990 NHL Entry Draft

Season Team Lge GP Min GA EN SO GAA W L T Svs Pct
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1989-90 St. Hyacinthe Lasers QMJHL 42 2333 156 0 0 4.01 0 0 0 0 0.000
1990-91 St. Hyacinthe Lasers QMJHL 52 2946 162 0 2 3.30 22 24 4 1257 0.886
1991-92 New Jersey Devils NHL 4 179 10 0 0 3.35 2 1 0 75 0.882
1991-92 St. Hyacinthe Lasers QMJHL 48 2846 161 0 2 3.39 0 0 0 0 0.000
1992-93 Utica Devils AHL 32 1952 131 3 0 4.03 14 13 5 1002 0.884
1993-94 New Jersey Devils NHL 47 2625 105 0 3 2.40 27 11 8 1133 0.915
1994-95 New Jersey Devils NHL 40 2184 89 1 3 2.45 19 11 6 819 0.902
1995-96 New Jersey Devils NHL 77 4434 173 8 6 2.34 34 30 12 1772 0.911
1996-97 New Jersey Devils NHL 67 3838 120 5 10 1.88 37 14 13 1513 0.927
1997-98 New Jersey Devils NHL 70 4128 130 4 10 1.89 43 17 8 1569 0.917
1998-99 New Jersey Devils NHL 70 4239 162 4 4 2.29 39 21 10 1566 0.906
1999-00 New Jersey Devils NHL 72 4312 161 3 6 2.24 43 20 8 1797 0.910
2000-01 New Jersey Devils NHL 72 4297 166 2 9 2.32 42 17 11 1762 0.906
2001-02 New Jersey Devils NHL 73 4347 156 5 4 2.15 38 26 9 1655 0.906
2002-03 New Jersey Devils NHL 73 4374 147 4 9 2.02 41 23 9 1559 0.914
2003-04 New Jersey Devils NHL 75 4554 154 4 11 2.03 38 26 11 1691 0.917
2005-06 New Jersey Devils NHL 73 4365 187 2 5 2.57 43 23 7 1918 0.911
2006-07 New Jersey Devils NHL 78 4697 171 5 12 2.18 48 23 7 2011 0.922
2007-08 New Jersey Devils NHL 77 4635 168 8 4 2.17 44 27 6 1921 0.920
2008-09 New Jersey Devils NHL 31 1814 73 2 5 2.42 19 9 3 797 0.916


--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1989-90 St. Hyacinthe Lasers QMJHL 42 0 0 0 10 12 0 0 0 14
1990-91 St. Hyacinthe Lasers QMJHL 52 0 0 0 25 -- -- -- -- --
1991-92 St. Hyacinthe Lasers QMJHL 48 0 0 0 39
1991-92 New Jersey Devils NHL 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
1992-93 Utica Devils AHL 32 0 4 4 6 4 0 0 0 2
1993-94 New Jersey Devils NHL 47 0 0 0 2 17 0 1 1 0
1994-95 New Jersey Devils NHL 40 0 2 2 2 20 0 1 1 6
1995-96 New Jersey Devils NHL 77 0 1 1 6 -- -- -- -- --
1996-97 New Jersey Devils NHL 67 0 4 4 8 10 1 0 1 0
1997-98 New Jersey Devils NHL 70 0 3 3 10 6 0 1 1 0
1998-99 New Jersey Devils NHL 70 0 4 4 4 7 0 2 2 2
1999-00 New Jersey Devils NHL 72 1 4 5 16 23 0 0 0 10
2000-01 New Jersey Devils NHL 72 0 1 1 14 25 0 1 1 0
2001-02 New Jersey Devils NHL 73 0 4 4 8 6 0 0 0 0
2002-03 New Jersey Devils NHL 73 0 0 0 10 -- -- -- -- --
2003-04 New Jersey Devils NHL 75 0 0 0 4 -- -- -- -- --
2005-06 New Jersey Devils NHL 73 0 3 3 4 9 0 0 0 2
2006-07 New Jersey Devils NHL 78 0 1 1 12 11 0 1 1 2
2007-08 New Jersey Devils NHL 77 0 4 4 6 5 0 0 0 2
2008-09 New Jersey Devils NHL 31 0 0 0 4
2008-09p New Jersey Devils NHL 5 0 0 0 4
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NHL Totals 999 1 31 32 110 140 1 7 8 24






-----------------------

It did not take so long for Brodeur to be dominant





Carey Price
Goalie
Born Aug 16 1987 -- Williams Lake, BC
Height 6.03 -- Weight 226 -- Shoots R


Selected by Montreal Canadiens round 1 #5 overall 2005 NHL Entry Draft

Season Team Lge GP Min GA EN SO GAA W L T Svs Pct
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2002-03 Tri-City Americans WHL 1 20 2 0 0 6.00 0 0 0 12 0.857
2003-04 Tri-City Americans WHL 28 1363 54 0 1 2.38 8 9 3 578 0.915
2004-05 Tri-City Americans WHL 63 3712 145 0 8 2.34 24 31 8 1665 0.920
2005-06 Tri-City Americans WHL 55 3072 147 3 3 2.87 21 25 6 1420 0.906
2006-07 Tri-City Americans WHL 46 2722 111 2 3 2.45 30 13 1 1229 0.917
2006-07 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 2 117 3 0 0 1.53 1 1 0 56 0.949
2007-08 Montreal Canadiens NHL 41 2413 103 2 3 2.56 24 12 3 1179 0.920
2007-08 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 10 581 26 0 1 2.69 6 4 0 225 0.896
2008-09 Montreal Canadiens NHL 52 3036 143 4 1 2.83 23 16 10 1370 0.905


--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2002-03 Tri-City Americans WHL 2 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- --
2003-04 Tri-City Americans WHL 28 0 1 1 4 8 0 0 0 0
2004-05 Tri-City Americans WHL 63 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- --
2005-06 Tri-City Americans WHL 55 0 2 2 8 5 0 0 0 2
2006-07 Tri-City Americans WHL 46 0 2 2 10 6 0 0 0 4
2006-07 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 2 0 0 0 0 22 0 1 1 2
2007-08 Montreal Canadiens NHL 41 0 2 2 0 11 0 0 0 2
2007-08 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 10 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- --
2008-09 Montreal Canadiens NHL 52 0 1 1 4
2008-09p Montreal Canadiens NHL 4 0 0 0 0
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NHL Totals 93 0 3 3 4 11 0 0 0 2



-------------------------

We should give another season to Carey to see what he can do, his 1st season in the NHL was great, lets just hope he is not the Joe Thornton of goaltending

ReVeuF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 11:51 AM
  #28
Whitesnake
Habs of steel
 
Whitesnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Lorraine, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 47,468
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by sampollock View Post
no,
this kid is a kid
Which is exactly the reason why they made a mistake. He was under a lot of adrenaline with Team Canada, same with the Bulldogs when he was playing for the Calder Cup. He had to go through the ups and downs of a season in the pros, I keep saying it since the day they've make him graduate. A guy who was known for his mental toughness and his ability to play the puck outside of his net and demonstrated that he has neither at this pro level, needed to learn this and especially the mental toughness part, at a lower level. Not saying to let him rot for 5 years, but at the very least 1 year.

So more learning would not have hurt him. And not only that, but chances the team would have looked better with a guy who was not mentally drained as he stated after the playoffs. Was not in shape to take the reign of the most difficult position in hockey, in the most difficult city to play in.

So if the kid is just a kid, and clearly there are a lot of kids younger than him that surely look more mature than him, he needed to not be put on a pedestal like he was by the media, the fans and his own bosses.

He'll be OK. It's possible that he never become what we thought he was, or he might actually do it anyway. My belief is just that it's possible that it takes longer to achieve 'cause of the road they made him take.

Just like Latendresse.

Whitesnake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 11:52 AM
  #29
doubleminor138
Call me Snake
 
doubleminor138's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Northeast
Country: United States
Posts: 14,437
vCash: 50
Can't speak out of Carey Price expertise, but for every M-A Fleury there's an Andrew Raycroft. Price has the goods, but its up to him to persevere or buckle.

__________________
Terry Tomasi / Backin72

A true fan who will always be remembered.
doubleminor138 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 11:54 AM
  #30
Hermamoud
Registered User
 
Hermamoud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Country: Vietnam
Posts: 2,101
vCash: 500
I read somewhere that Bryan Murray was furious at Gainey because he had Price on his radar and that he thought that Gainey decided to draft him to prevent Ottawa from getting their hands on a franchise goalie.

Hermamoud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 12:02 PM
  #31
ReVeuF
Registered User
 
ReVeuF's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,038
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReVeuF View Post
Martin Brodeur
Goalie
Born May 6 1972 -- Montreal, PQ
Height 6.01 -- Weight 205


Season Team Lge GP Min GA EN SO GAA W L T Svs Pct
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1989-90 St. Hyacinthe Lasers QMJHL 42 2333 156 0 0 4.01 0 0 0 0 0.000
1990-91 St. Hyacinthe Lasers QMJHL 52 2946 162 0 2 3.30 22 24 4 1257 0.886
1991-92 New Jersey Devils NHL 4 179 10 0 0 3.35 2 1 0 75 0.882
1991-92 St. Hyacinthe Lasers QMJHL 48 2846 161 0 2 3.39 0 0 0 0 0.000
1992-93 Utica Devils AHL 32 1952 131 3 0 4.03 14 13 5 1002 0.884
1993-94 New Jersey Devils NHL 47 2625 105 0 3 2.40 27 11 8 1133 0.915
Brodeur first real season he was 21-22 years old, but they do not have the same character, Brodeur was always a guy who is responsible and is not really a party guy... unlike Price.

ReVeuF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 12:16 PM
  #32
Metropolitsky
Still 4x more cups
 
Metropolitsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,414
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermamoud View Post
I read somewhere that Bryan Murray was furious at Gainey because he had Price on his radar and that he thought that Gainey decided to draft him to prevent Ottawa from getting their hands on a franchise goalie.
it wasn't murray, it was Muckler. But Yes Ottawa had their eyes on Price and wanted to pick him with their 9th

Metropolitsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 12:18 PM
  #33
Metropolitsky
Still 4x more cups
 
Metropolitsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,414
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReVeuF View Post
Brodeur first real season he was 21-22 years old, but they do not have the same character, Brodeur was always a guy who is responsible and is not really a party guy... unlike Price.
Because you are good friend with Marty Brodeur?

Metropolitsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 12:20 PM
  #34
Magic33
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: MTL
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,563
vCash: 500
Looking back, it probably wouldn't have hurt him in any way, whereas rushing him could have hurt him. Most analysts agree that some time in the AHL can only help someone. That said, its too late to speculate now, because we'll never know. IMO though, a full year, year and a half in Hamilton would have been best.

Magic33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 12:21 PM
  #35
gillyguzzler
Registered User
 
gillyguzzler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,748
vCash: 500
In hindsight, Gainey's mishandling of Price included :

1- made the team immediately when he should have spent at least half the year in Hamilton
2- traded Huet and gave Price the #1 role without him earning it
3- Price, alone, in the city of sin... bad news. They should have supported him better off ice.
4- Having Halak, who deserved a better shot at #1, as his backup. A older mentor type goalie as the backup would have been preferred.
5- Gainey unwavering confidence in Price down the stretch (8 straight losses)

For the short term, these gaffes have resulted in Price going home again for the summer a little more messed up but maybe a little more mature. The Habs and Price paid the price and the result was a horrible second half. Medium and long term, Price may become a better goalie and may become mentally tougher sooner rather than later. He gets too high (All Star Game) and then too low (looks like he's going to cry after every goal or loss). He's either ultra composed and focused or nonchalent and distracted. He needs to develop a more stoic and disciplined approach... Lundquist and Brodeur come to mind... even Thomas, unorthodox as he is, is unflappable... but it took him many years to get that way.


Last edited by gillyguzzler: 04-25-2009 at 12:44 PM.
gillyguzzler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 12:21 PM
  #36
ReVeuF
Registered User
 
ReVeuF's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,038
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Djee#9 View Post
Because you are good friend with Marty Brodeur?
Brodeur character = Tanguay pretty much

ReVeuF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 12:38 PM
  #37
Quiet Robert
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,262
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by lhf1 View Post
I was watching La Zone yesterday and Dany Dubé put forward some interesting points on Price, and it made me think...

I think we have to be realistic and realize the fact that Gainey put Price in a role much too important for his young age. Even though he won the Calder Cup MVP, he should have played a season in the AHL just to have a few highs and lows at a professional level without being directly under the spotlight. Instead, Gainey promoted him directly in the NHL, even though he knew everyone expected a Patrick Roy-level performance from him and that anything else would be a disappointment. And he didn't even make him fight for his spot: he basically gave him the number 1 position when he traded Cristobal Huet. Had Carey Price won a starting position based on his performances in the AHL and in the NHL, he would probably feel much more confident in his ability to bounce back after a rough patch.

I don't think Carey Price is "broken" yet, but the Canadiens definitely mishandled him. Hopefully he will learn a lot from this season and I'm confident he will come back strong next year.
It was an interesting discussion on La Zone the other day. However, one thing all panelists (excluding Villeneuve) seemed to agree upon was that Carey Price was a better goaltender today than he was 2 seasons ago. In this case I think Villeneuve did an excellent job as host/moderator to get to the core of the issue. Forget all the surrounding factors, has Carey Price improved as a goaltender in the NHL or has he regressed. I was shocked all 4 said he improved.

I don't know enough about the position of goaltender, but I'm starting to see that Astérix and though I can't believe I'm saying this: Michel Villeneuve may have a point....

When Price first started, there were 4 things that made him stand out and made a lot of people really believe he could be an elite goaltender:

1) Mental toughness (unflappable nature)
2) Positional play (Always in the right place to make the save)
2) Rebound control (I've rarely seen a young kid have as good rebound control as he had last year)
3) Puck handling (Last year he was looking like a future Turco/Brodeur in terms of puck handling)

All 4 of these assets have clearly regressed to the point where they are almost areas of concern. His confidence is gone and "unflappable" is a word we haven't used all year. His positional play is way off to the point where he's deep in the net forced to make sensational saves when last year he was making a lot of chances look routine. Rebound control and puck handling have been shaky this year.

I don't know if Gainey rushed him, or Melancon is messing with head or the pressure has gotten to him or if he had a sophomore slump (goaltenders have those too), but I don't think he's a better goaltender today than he was at the at the start of the 07-08 season.

And that is the core of the issue and that's what's most concerning. I don't know that we'll ever be satisfied with an answer to why he's not a better goaltender today, but I just want him to refocus this summer and come back sharp for next year. He's got so much potential if we just stick with him and he works hard in the offseason he's going to be recharged and ready to win next year.

Quiet Robert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 12:41 PM
  #38
m00ks
Registered User
 
m00ks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,887
vCash: 500
Bof that's hard to say. I don't know if anybody remembers how bad a tandem Price and Huet was last season. There was a point early last year when no one was stopping the pucks and Guy was prompted to call them out. A few weeks before that though, Price was relegated to Hamilton and Huet started to do well. As soon as Price came he would falter. I guess he wasn't good at handling the pressure from an up and coming goalie.

Anyweyz, I think we were suppose to get Hedberg from Atlanta and that simply did not work out. After the deadline though, Price went on a tear. Who knew he'd falter against Philly specially after a clutch game 7 performance against Boston.

So he had a bad season. The whole team stunk so I can't really blame him. Did they make a mistake? Probably. Sure didn't look like it though after the deadline.

m00ks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 12:47 PM
  #39
gillyguzzler
Registered User
 
gillyguzzler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,748
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet Robert View Post
It was an interesting discussion on La Zone the other day. However, one thing all panelists (excluding Villeneuve) seemed to agree upon was that Carey Price was a better goaltender today than he was 2 seasons ago. In this case I think Villeneuve did an excellent job as host/moderator to get to the core of the issue. Forget all the surrounding factors, has Carey Price improved as a goaltender in the NHL or has he regressed. I was shocked all 4 said he improved.

I don't know enough about the position of goaltender, but I'm starting to see that Astérix and though I can't believe I'm saying this: Michel Villeneuve may have a point....

When Price first started, there were 4 things that made him stand out and made a lot of people really believe he could be an elite goaltender:

1) Mental toughness (unflappable nature)
2) Positional play (Always in the right place to make the save)
2) Rebound control (I've rarely seen a young kid have as good rebound control as he had last year)
3) Puck handling (Last year he was looking like a future Turco/Brodeur in terms of puck handling)

All 4 of these assets have clearly regressed to the point where they are almost areas of concern. His confidence is gone and "unflappable" is a word we haven't used all year. His positional play is way off to the point where he's deep in the net forced to make sensational saves when last year he was making a lot of chances look routine. Rebound control and puck handling have been shaky this year.

I don't know if Gainey rushed him, or Melancon is messing with head or the pressure has gotten to him or if he had a sophomore slump (goaltenders have those too), but I don't think he's a better goaltender today than he was at the at the start of the 07-08 season.

And that is the core of the issue and that's what's most concerning. I don't know that we'll ever be satisfied with an answer to why he's not a better goaltender today, but I just want him to refocus this summer and come back sharp for next year. He's got so much potential if we just stick with him and he works hard in the offseason he's going to be recharged and ready to win next year.
I strongly disagreed with the four panelists who thought Price was a better goalie now than he was when he came to Montreal two seasons ago. Dubé was bang on for everything, until he concured that Price was better now.

gillyguzzler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 12:51 PM
  #40
Washington Capitals
Registered User
 
Washington Capitals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 10,296
vCash: 500
I swear to God 1/2 of the Habs are absolutely insane people. He is just ****ing kid, he needs the ****ing development and time. Trade Halak and bring solid veteran to back-up the kid. It's not a rocket science.

Washington Capitals is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 12:52 PM
  #41
Iwishihadacup
Registered User
 
Iwishihadacup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Quebec City
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,713
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReVeuF View Post
Brodeur character = Tanguay pretty much
you know tanguay?

Iwishihadacup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 12:54 PM
  #42
kovalev47
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 680
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by lhf1 View Post
I was watching La Zone yesterday and Dany Dubé put forward some interesting points on Price, and it made me think...

I think we have to be realistic and realize the fact that Gainey put Price in a role much too important for his young age. Even though he won the Calder Cup MVP, he should have played a season in the AHL just to have a few highs and lows at a professional level without being directly under the spotlight. Instead, Gainey promoted him directly in the NHL, even though he knew everyone expected a Patrick Roy-level performance from him and that anything else would be a disappointment. And he didn't even make him fight for his spot: he basically gave him the number 1 position when he traded Cristobal Huet. Had Carey Price won a starting position based on his performances in the AHL and in the NHL, he would probably feel much more confident in his ability to bounce back after a rough patch.

I don't think Carey Price is "broken" yet, but the Canadiens definitely mishandled him. Hopefully he will learn a lot from this season and I'm confident he will come back strong next year.
I agree he was rushed too quicky into the NHL.

Also why are we sacrificing seasons just so Price can develop? Why not go with a goalie who can give us the best shot at winning now and let Price develop in Hamilton or as the backup? By the time Price is ready, the rest of the core of players will have left out of frustration of losing or will have retired. Also what good is it to have a superstar goalie and a bad overall team. Even if Price does become a superstar, he probably won't win anything once he commends superstar dollars. We won't be able to afford other players since his salary will take up too much cap room. Also every single NHL team has a coming up "superstar" goalie. I wouldn't want to trade for Luongo because his salary is too high. I would rather get a goalie in the 3.5 to 5.5 range who is just slightly below him and spend the cash on better forwards and defence.

Another issue is the longevity of some of the new players. With the poor diets, partying, and intense stress some of these players are under, you wonder how long any player especially a goalie will last in the NHL. Price has had the flu 5 or 6 times this season already at only age 21? What happens when he is older? It doesn't make sense to me to put all your eggs in one basket and hope he pans out.

Also why put Price into such a stressful situation. It was stressful enough and Bob put even more pressure on to him by rushing him into the NHL. Also people claim that it worked for other goalies. The thing is, the other goalies played in less stressful cities. It's not the same being a 20 year old goalie in Pittsburgh, and being a 20 year old goalie in Montreal. As for the people that say they are ashamed by the Habs fans behavior, this behavior is nothing new though. People can be mad about the fans until the cows come home, but it won't change a thing. People knew last season that if Price struggled that some fans would boo him. But some people including Bob insisted that Price could handle the pressure even though it has been proven over and over in history that it delays the potential of a young goalie and it can possibly jeopardize the career of a young goalie. It's unrealisitic to expect fans to act a certain way. The word fans comes from the word "fanatic'

Now they can't even send Price down to the minors because of the waiver rule. Also we are likely to lose Halak by the season after too. What's the solution now?

kovalev47 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 01:00 PM
  #43
MM425
Registered User
 
MM425's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 4,599
vCash: 500
No.

But IMO the one mistake that I think Gainey should have corrected this year is getting a vetran backup in to help mentor Price. Going with 2 young goalies as a tandem is a mistake IMO.

I hope he corrects this in the off-season. Trade Halak and bring in a vetran goalie... I'd actually like so see Mathieu Garon (who I think is a UFA) return as a backup. He's always seemed like a good team guy and has a bit of experience playing in Montreal already.

MM425 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 01:09 PM
  #44
jnthomas
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 679
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to jnthomas
I don't understand everyone claiming Price had a bad season. If you look at the first half of the season he was in the top 6 goalies in GAA (2.32) and SV% (.919). So that would indicate he had a bad half of the season. Also if you look how he performed after his bad stretch, he was doing pretty well. Considering his bad stretch was about 12 games and he played 52 games, then it safe to say he had a bad quarter of a season.

jnthomas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 01:14 PM
  #45
Biggsy
Registered User
 
Biggsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Rutland/Kelowna
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,469
vCash: 500
I agree with the posters who say he should of spent atleast 1 year in the A but he didn't so i hope he took these last 2 years as a learning curve and mentally and physically prepares for a much better up coming see him. Oh yeah and responsible forwards and dmen in front of him would help as well

Biggsy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 01:53 PM
  #46
onice
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Montreal
Posts: 5,422
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReVeuF View Post
Brodeur first real season he was 21-22 years old, but they do not have the same character, Brodeur was always a guy who is responsible and is not really a party guy... unlike Price.
Yeah, we know, he's a homebody who likes to boink the babysitter.

onice is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 01:55 PM
  #47
Lafleurs Guy
Registered User
 
Lafleurs Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,795
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by lhf1 View Post
I was watching La Zone yesterday and Dany Dubé put forward some interesting points on Price, and it made me think...

I think we have to be realistic and realize the fact that Gainey put Price in a role much too important for his young age. Even though he won the Calder Cup MVP, he should have played a season in the AHL just to have a few highs and lows at a professional level without being directly under the spotlight. Instead, Gainey promoted him directly in the NHL, even though he knew everyone expected a Patrick Roy-level performance from him and that anything else would be a disappointment. And he didn't even make him fight for his spot: he basically gave him the number 1 position when he traded Cristobal Huet. Had Carey Price won a starting position based on his performances in the AHL and in the NHL, he would probably feel much more confident in his ability to bounce back after a rough patch.

I don't think Carey Price is "broken" yet, but the Canadiens definitely mishandled him. Hopefully he will learn a lot from this season and I'm confident he will come back strong next year.
I think we handled him just fine.

He was doing great before he got hurt. Maybe we could've had a vet to bring him along but things are being way overblown. If we didn't have the injuries we did it would've been a much closer series. He'll be fine.

The fans just have to lighten up on him and the team.

Lafleurs Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 02:10 PM
  #48
Native
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Montreal
Posts: 370
vCash: 500
A few years in the AHL wouldn't have hurt Price. He would have had a more regimented lifestyle and have a greater focus on just improving and soldifying his game. However, he isn't an average goalie. He does possess attributes that would indicate he'd be a very special goalie, I do believe that. He was fast tracked partly to do with our situation. Huet had shown that he couldn't lead us as a number one and his contract was up. Left with a few alternatives, either resign him for more than we was worth knowing he wasn't the man, find another high calibre goalie to lead or, hand the reigns over to Price.

Certainly, if it doesn't break him, the experience Price has gone through will serve him very well. He's felt the lows and disappointment, failure. Sometimes, you have to falter in order to advance. He's been blessed with success, seemingly so easy to come by. Not this time. He now realizes he has to work twice as hard now at this level. He's admitted to his sins, and to have learned alot from the experience, both professionally and about himself.

He will bounce back big time. However, he needs tightened and strict guidance. Also, I do believe Melanson has failed him. Someone like Allaire would be a great replacement if he can be lured here. While very technical, he seems to be more open to adaptable and compromising in a goalie's individual style, rather than trying to completely change him.

Native is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 02:40 PM
  #49
Metropolitsky
Still 4x more cups
 
Metropolitsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,414
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReVeuF View Post
Brodeur character = Tanguay pretty much
and you know Tanguays character? you hang out with him often?

Metropolitsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2009, 03:18 PM
  #50
CanadienErrant*
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Country: Cook Islands
Posts: 4,956
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by onice View Post
Latendresse
Price
S. Kostitsyn


Anyone see a pattern?
At least, Latendresse doesn't seem to have off ice problems !

CanadienErrant* is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:37 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.