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04-25-2009, 09:51 PM
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Reasonable and dream line-ups for next season

Just for entertainment

Reasonable line-up

Tanguay - Lang - Kovalev, senior line who should be able to score on a constant pace
Pacioretty - Antropov - Kostitsyn, hard working line, should contribute on the score sheet
Higgins - Metropolit - Kotalik, another hard working line
Latendresse - Lapierre - Dandeneault, checking line with a speed factor
Laraque

Markov - Subban
Hamrlik - Weber
Gorges - Schneider
O'Byrne

A rather offensive defense, can easily lack physique contribution

Price
Halak

Confidence is still here



And a more unrealistic type of line-up :

Tanguay - Lecavalier - St.Louis
Pacioretty - Lang - D'Agostini
Higgins - Metropolit - Stewart
Latendresse - Lapierre - Dandeneault

Markov - Bouwmeester
Hamrlik - Weber
Gorges - Subban

Lungo
Halak

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04-25-2009, 10:04 PM
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Tanguay - Lang - Kovalev
Kostitsyn - Antropov - Kostitsyn
Higgins - Dubinski - Pacioretty
Latendresse - Lapierre - Laraque

Markov - Bouwmeester
Hamrlik - Komisarek
Gorges - Weber/Subban

Price
VET G

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04-25-2009, 10:05 PM
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Just for entertainment

Reasonable line-up

Tanguay - Lang - Kovalev, senior line who should be able to score on a constant pace
Pacioretty - Antropov - Kostitsyn, hard working line, should contribute on the score sheet
Higgins - Metropolit - Kotalik, another hard working line
Latendresse - Lapierre - Dandeneault, checking line with a speed factor
Laraque

Markov - Subban
Hamrlik - Weber
Gorges - Schneider
O'Byrne

A rather offensive defense, can easily lack physique contribution

Price
Halak

Confidence is still here



And a more unrealistic type of line-up :

Tanguay - Lecavalier - St.Louis
Pacioretty - Lang - D'Agostini
Higgins - Metropolit - Stewart
Latendresse - Lapierre - Dandeneault

Markov - Bouwmeester
Hamrlik - Weber
Gorges - Subban

Lungo
Halak
Actually , both your line-ups pretty far fetched and horrible.

Antropov and Kostitsyn - hard working?
Your defense is so soft , no one will be afraid of them
What did we get for Plekanec? He's only an RFA?
You keep Dandenault over Kostopoulos..never gonna happen

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04-25-2009, 10:34 PM
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Reasonable lineup:
Perezhogin-Koivu-Kovalev
Tanguay-Lecavalier-St-Louis
Pacioretty-Chipchura-Higgins
Steward/Kostopoulous-Lapierre-Latendresse

Markov-Komisarek
Hamrlik-Weber
Korneev-Goerges
Schneider

Price
Kolzig

Kostitsyn bros + Plekanek + Mcdonaugh + O'byrne + 1st 2010 for Lecavalier and St-Louis

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04-25-2009, 10:46 PM
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Just for entertainment

Markov - Subban
Hamrlik - Weber
Gorges - Schneider
O'Byrne

Halak
subban?

you being serious?

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04-25-2009, 10:56 PM
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The most realistic line up is probably the one we see today. Most of the guys seem willing to return.

The only ones i wouldn't be sure on is Komisarek; Schneider and Lang but mainly because of age and looking to be going to contenders.

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Just for entertainment

Reasonable line-up

Tanguay - Lang - Kovalev, senior line who should be able to score on a constant pace
Pacioretty - Antropov - Kostitsyn, hard working line, should contribute on the score sheet
Higgins - Metropolit - Kotalik, another hard working line
Latendresse - Lapierre - Dandeneault, checking line with a speed factor
Laraque
the center line of your first line-up is laughable, we are going to end 30th with a such line-up.. 5 on 5 we would get destroyed every games.. Both Lang and Antropov are big but slow as hell, not physical and lazy some nights, I dont know whats the love for Lang but the guy is playing without any grit, nice on the PP, nice scoring touch around the net but thats all, a liability even strength.. Kovalev come on.. Habs have become the biggest country club of the league..

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04-25-2009, 11:04 PM
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Sedin-Sedin-Andrei
Sergei-Lang-Kovalev
Higgins-Koivu-Neil
Latendrese-lapierre-Laraque/stewart

Markov-Komisarek
Jaybo-weber/emelin
Gorges-O'byrne

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Lang will be back!!

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04-25-2009, 11:14 PM
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FA's - Gaborik, Roloson, Beauchemin

Plekanec, McDonagh, Halak, Kostitsyn, picks > Lecavalier

Tanguay-Lecavalier-Gaborik
Higgins-Koivu-Kovalev
Latendresse-Lapierre-Pacioretty
Stewart-Chipchura-Laraque

Markov-Komisarek
Schneider-Hamrlik
Beauchmin-Gorges

Extras - Dandenault, D'Agostini

Price
Roloson

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04-25-2009, 11:21 PM
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Gagné Lecavalier A.Kostitsyn

Perezhogin Plekanec D'agostini

Higgins Lapierre Latendresse

Stewart Chipchura Paccioretty

Markov Komisarek

Beauchemin Gorges

Hamrlik Subban\Weber

Price
Denis

traded: S.Kostitsyn + McDonagh + Maxwell + OByrne + 1st round pick for Lecavalier

Halak + 2nd round pick for Gagné

This line-up would fit under the cap..


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04-25-2009, 11:33 PM
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the center line of your first line-up is laughable, we are going to end 30th with a such line-up.. 5 on 5 we would get destroyed every games.. Both Lang and Antropov are big but slow as hell, not physical and lazy some nights, I dont know whats the love for Lang but the guy is playing without any grit, nice on the PP, nice scoring touch around the net but thats all, a liability even strength.. Kovalev come on.. Habs have become the biggest country club of the league..
Yeah, okay.

Do you realize the guy hasn't been a minus player since 1999-2000? He was a +6 this year, which was good enough for 5th on the team, where-as Tomas Plekanec was 3rd from the bottom on our club with a -9.

He may not be the quickest guy in the world, but he's very good positionally and knows where to be on the ice.

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Anything without Koivu is not realistic.

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Reasonable lineup:
Perezhogin-Koivu-Kovalev
Tanguay-Lecavalier-St-Louis
If it has Lecavalier on it (let alone St-Louis), it's a fantasy lineup, not a reasonable one...

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I'm not sure whether to consider mine fantasy or realistic.

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Gagné Lecavalier Paccioretty

Perezhogin Cammalleri A.Kostitsyn

Higgins Plekanec Latendresse\Dagostini

Lapierre Chipchura Stewart

Markov Komisarek

Beauchemin Weber

Hamrlik Subban

Price
Denis

traded: S.Kostitsyn + McDonagh + Maxwell + OByrne + 1st round pick for Lecavalier

Halak + 2nd round pick for Gagné
hate to burst your bubble but Lecavalier isn't light years away from gagne. Drafted same year. Lecavalier's PPG:0.85, Gagne's PPG:0.80. Both goal scorers, and mind you, gagne is better defensively and getting points as a center is easier IMO. In the end, lecavalier is better, but to suggest one requires half our future, and the other is halak and a 2nd is a little off.

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I'm not sure whether to consider mine fantasy or realistic.
You have Montreal actually signing UFAs, first-liners no less, so probably fantasy.

(And why would you want the Habs to sign Neil? I live in Gatineau and I am surrounded by Ottawa fans who rail about how useless he is and wished he would be traded all year. He's a glorified, overrated goon.)

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Yeah, okay.

Do you realize the guy hasn't been a minus player since 1999-2000? He was a +6 this year, which was good enough for 5th on the team, where-as Tomas Plekanec was 3rd from the bottom on our club with a -9.

He may not be the quickest guy in the world, but he's very good positionally and knows where to be on the ice.
Lang didnt taste the atrocious second half of the season where we were looking like an AHL team some nights.. reverse the roles, Pleks is injured and Lang is healthy in the second half.. the stas looks otherwise.. Lang would have been exposed just like Pleks has been... Pleky has been +10 and +15 before this season, he is a pretty smart center, quick and always reliable defensively.. sure he had an off season offensively (like the whole team) but Im pretty sure he will bounce back, he has what it takes.. Its tough to prove relying on stats but when you watch Lang play, there are obvious holes in his game, 5 on 5 Pleks is the most valuable of the 2 by a good margin IMO..

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You have Montreal actually signing UFAs, first-liners no less, so probably fantasy.

(And why would you want the Habs to sign Neil? I live in Gatineau and I am surrounded by Ottawa fans who rail about how useless he is and wished he would be traded all year. He's a glorified, overrated goon.)
lol, i guess you're right. Us signing any top player is a fantasy but anyway as for neil. Goon or not, I'd like to have someone to be more physical than laraque and can back himself up. He'd open room for Koivu and Higgins and they'd play positionally. If he's that bad, well, then I guess not, but I'd like someone in the mold of what I assumed he was. A physical player who can drop the gloves.

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How about this?

This would be less far fetched IF and only IF the montreal media would stop harrassing the players and they would actually come here

tanguay Koivu Gaborik
Kostitsyn Pouliot Hemsky
Latendress Lapierre Higgins
Stewart Metropolit Dagostini

Markov Ohland
Hamerlik Skoula
George webber

Price
fernandez

I know some trades will be made..but Edmonton needs a young goalie and really want s Kost to play with gagner..we can even add Chipchura who is a western boy and pry pouliot and hemsky and give them halak, s kost and chips. Then sign Gaborik skoula and ohland. ohland can replace Komi seeing since the press conference it sounded like there is no way he is coming back. Ohland can benasty with some score, skoula who learned defense in Minni can be had for cheap. Trade for fernandez so that should shut the media up getting another hometown boy in manny. Then you place Higgins on the Lapieere line and give them some more punch.
I know I will get shot for saying some of this..but if you look at how much these players made..I am sure Koivu and tanguay would sign witha discount, Gborik will be expensive...but skoula was only making 1.5 last year so i dont see why we can get him for around 2.5 and Ohland will ask for about 4.5 which we were willing to pay Komi. And fernandez wont cost us alot as Boston needs to clear space to sign Kessel and a few other big names.
What do you guys think, I think the defense will be alot better with those 6.

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also just to add..I would not give up McDonough for anyone as this will be the next Chelios..especially for LeCavalier. I like the guy..but seeing the names that were offered the first time, i would not overpay for him as he has already had shoulder and wrist surgeries. Also, I hope we do get some french guys and stink.I love the canadiens with passion, but the french media have to get off this *&*&^ about french players and all this junk. They need to wake up and see that we need heart , not language.

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In fact, going over my post, you can even trade A Kost as you got hemsky that could replace him and bring up max pac..

tanguay koivu Gaborik
pac pouliot Hemsky
latandress lapierre higgins
Stewart Metro D'agostini

markov Ohland
Hammer Skoula
George Web

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Fernandez

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Lang didnt taste the atrocious second half of the season where we were looking like an AHL team some nights.. reverse the roles, Pleks is injured and Lang is healthy in the second half.. the stas looks otherwise.. Lang would have been exposed just like Pleks has been... Pleky has been +10 and +15 before this season, he is a pretty smart center, quick and always reliable defensively.. sure he had an off season offensively (like the whole team) but Im pretty sure he will bounce back, he has what it takes.. Its tough to prove relying on stats but when you watch Lang play, there are obvious holes in his game, 5 on 5 Pleks is the most valuable of the 2 by a good margin IMO..
You are also a little biased when it comes to Plekanec and even you can likely admit that.

You think Lang getting hurt wasn't one of the biggest reasons for our downfall? I think it was. Lang was consistently our best forward and it showed when we couldn't ice a strong second line without him.

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Since this thread has "reasonable" in its title, I'll try to stick with reality.

1- I don't think we'll be able to sign any big free agents this summer. I think we may be able to land Beauchemin, and hopefully a veteran goalie like Fernandez or Garon.

2- I'll take the Lecavalier trade as it has been discussed between Gainey and Lawton : Lecavalier for Plekanec, Higgins, Gorges and probably a 1st pick. My guess is there could be another player involved, probably a young promising defenseman (McDonagh or Fischer)

3- I think we could trade Halak for a veteran defenseman. What looks realist is Halak in Colorado for Scott Hannan. But what would be even better would be Halak in Edmonton for Tom Gilbert.

4- I would resign Tanguay, Kovalev, Lang, and also Bouillon and Dandenault if they accept a paycut. I'd love to resign Komisarek but I doubt he will.

Tanguay - Lecavalier - Kovalev
S. Kostitsyn - Lang - A. Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Lapierre - D'Agostini
Pacioretty - Metropolit - Stewart

Laraque, Chipchura, Dandenault

Markov - Hannan or Gilbert
Hamrlik - Beauchemin
Bouillon - Weber

O'Byrne, Carle

Price
Fernandez

I think it's something realistic. I'm not sure I want Perezhogin in there, but maybe we could give it a try...


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You are also a little biased when it comes to Plekanec and even you can likely admit that.

You think Lang getting hurt wasn't one of the biggest reasons for our downfall? I think it was. Lang was consistently our best forward and it showed when we couldn't ice a strong second line without him.
I think we certainly missed his positive vet presence in the locker room and his scoring touch on the PP, but I dont think we missed him 5 on 5 at all, the team was already unstable and his line was flawed no matter who was playing with him.. Pleks not being a PP specialist, thats the main reason why the fans felt Lang's absence so much.. In fact, the Lats Laps Kosto line has been much more reliable even strength than any line including Lang before his injury..

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