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05-03-2009, 12:18 PM
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Ales Hemsky

Speculation in the Edmonton Journal this morning about a possible trade of Hemsky.

Wondering what folks here think his value might be.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...717/story.html

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05-03-2009, 12:54 PM
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Nobody on the Oilers is untouchable, but considering his contract and the fact that he's the only Oiler forward with a high level of talent, I would not move him unless the return were something really exciting.


(I assume this is the part where fans of other teams arrive and argue that since Hemsky has never had a point-per-game season, their offers of a backup goalie, a 2nd-rate prospect, and a 2nd round pick are highly generous.)

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05-03-2009, 01:21 PM
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I think that if we can get two good players for him then I would really think about it. It would be really nice to dumb Horcs contract with him.

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05-03-2009, 01:25 PM
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Nobody on the Oilers is untouchable, but considering his contract and the fact that he's the only Oiler forward with a high level of talent, I would not move him unless the return were something really exciting.


(I assume this is the part where fans of other teams arrive and argue that since Hemsky has never had a point-per-game season, their offers of a backup goalie, a 2nd-rate prospect, and a 2nd round pick are highly generous.)
I think the Oilers have other forward with a high level of talent (Gagner). They just haven't matured yet.

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I think the Oilers have other forward with a high level of talent (Gagner). They just haven't matured yet.
But this untapped potential is exactly what makes trading Hemsky make sense. There's teams far closer to a cup run that could benefit from him now and might be willing to put up some assets in trade.

Hemsky playing with either Crosby or malkin would be dangerous. What about Boston? Perhaps instead of dealing the RFA route they trade a prospect plus an RFA cap nightmare for a guy locked in for a couple more years...it would help cement their Eastern power to add Hemsky if it isn't a huge price. The West would have a lot of interest as well. Basically I think Hemsky from the right team could return a roster player (2nd liner) or mid 1st plus a good prospect. In the absolute right environment; where a team truly believes they are Hemsky away; we might even get a late 1st, low end roster player (3rd/4th liner) and a great prospect.

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Hemsky to Boston for Ryder, Sturm, Joe Colborne and a #1?

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05-03-2009, 02:09 PM
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Hemsky to Boston for Ryder, Sturm, Joe Colborne and a #1?
I know Ryder had a good year but that is not the type of player that we would want back for him. You would be looking at Kessel, Krejci, Wheeler, Lucic for Hemmer. It is hard to say what type of package it would take though. But it wont be for a player like Ryder. He seems to only play good for Julian.

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Hemsky to Boston for Ryder, Sturm, Joe Colborne and a #1?
Done. Colbourne looks like he could be ready for the NHL next season. The trade would give us three scoring units, and more grit and size throughout our lineup.

It also allows us to trade up to get Bryaden Schenn in the draft.

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I know Ryder had a good year but that is not the type of player that we would want back for him. You would be looking at Kessel, Krejci, Wheeler, Lucic for Hemmer. It is hard to say what type of package it would take though. But it wont be for a player like Ryder. He seems to only play good for Julian.
Is that why he scored 30 goals in consecutive seasons with the Habs?

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To Edmonton: Nathan Horton, Negotiation rights to Jaybo

To Florida: Ales Hemsky

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To Edmonton: Turco + Neale

To Dallas: Ales Hemsky + Dubnyk


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You guys realize that we don't have to blow up the team right? All we need to do is land a top forward and we instantly become more competitive.

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05-03-2009, 04:18 PM
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You guys realize that we don't have to blow up the team right? All we need to do is land a top forward and we instantly become more competitive.
The problem is to get that foward here.

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The problem is to get that foward here.
Katz can take him on his private jet and "show him the money".

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I know Ryder had a good year but that is not the type of player that we would want back for him. You would be looking at Kessel, Krejci, Wheeler, Lucic for Hemmer. It is hard to say what type of package it would take though. But it wont be for a player like Ryder. He seems to only play good for Julian.
Salary would have to be going back. You did notice that besides Ryder you were getting basically back to back #1s (Colborne and this year's #1). Ryder is far from the main piece of the package. And no offense but you wouldn't get any of Kessel, Krejci, Lucic or Wheeler for Hemsky.

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I know Ryder had a good year but that is not the type of player that we would want back for him. You would be looking at Kessel, Krejci, Wheeler, Lucic for Hemmer. It is hard to say what type of package it would take though. But it wont be for a player like Ryder. He seems to only play good for Julian.

Oilers would jump at that deal and Boston fans would burn their arena down in protest

Wheeler stats were better then Hemsky's last year and he is 3 years younger and the same goes for Krejci. Kessel is an all around better player and a better goal scorer. I think oilers would need to add something to get any of those players for Hemsky.

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I think the oilers would probably be asking for more than other teams would be willing to give up.

Hemsky has been the only semblance of legitimate offensive talent the oilers have had in the last two and a half years

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If the Oilers decided to deal Hemsky, I'd hope like hell it'd either be a change of scenery deal with equalish players going each way or as the center piece for an upgrade.

Dealing him for 4 or 5 lesser pieces is what we did with Pronger and Smyth, and it's still hurting us.

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Salary would have to be going back. You did notice that besides Ryder you were getting basically back to back #1s (Colborne and this year's #1). Ryder is far from the main piece of the package. And no offense but you wouldn't get any of Kessel, Krejci, Lucic or Wheeler for Hemsky.
For obvious reasons Milan Lucic won't leave Boston, likely ever.

As for the others, Hemsky is worth more than any of them. If Boston wouldn't offer any of those guy's on that list Hemsky wouldn't be going to Boston.

Hemsky's contract is what makes him such an attractive commodity. 3 more years at $4.1mil is an absolute steal for a PPG 1st line player.

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As a Caps fan, Alzner, Fehr, Osala and 1st for Hemsky, Cogliano.

Ovechkin Backstrom Hemsky would be incredibly, obnoxiously sick. Semin and Cogliano could also form a downright cruel tandem.

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I love Karl Alzner, but I dont think Fehr's value is high enough in this trade. Big Body sure, but he has yet to truly produce in the NHL.

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I love Karl Alzner, but I dont think Fehr's value is high enough in this trade. Big Body sure, but he has yet to truly produce in the NHL.
I'd be happy if we could get someone like Tomas Fleischmann, instead of Fehr.

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To Edmonton: Kelly, Zubov, 2nd

To Ottawa: Hemsky


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To Edmonton: Kelly, Zubov, 2nd

To Ottawa: Hemsky

You've got to do WAY better than that.

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If the Oilers decided to deal Hemsky, I'd hope like hell it'd either be a change of scenery deal with equalish players going each way or as the center piece for an upgrade.

Dealing him for 4 or 5 lesser pieces is what we did with Pronger and Smyth, and it's still hurting us.
Couldn't have said it better.

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Is that why he scored 30 goals in consecutive seasons with the Habs?
Umm...he played for Julian in Montreal when he had the good seasons and then when Carbo came he sucked. Not to mention played for him in junior, he only seems to play well for him.

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