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Scott Hartnell was named as one of the top five "dirtiest players" By peers

View Poll Results: Is Hartnell Dirty?
YES top 5, but he gets the job done. 30 44.12%
NO hes a target of the Flyers conspiracy of hate 38 55.88%
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05-07-2009, 03:10 PM
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There are probably a few other guys who should be above him. Kaleta and Tootoo come to mind. Harts is hardly a clean player, 140+ PIMs is no mistake. Not egregious or dangerous, but very effectively dirty. He clearly rides the borderline (and steps over from time to time) and gets under opponents skin.

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05-07-2009, 03:45 PM
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There are probably a few other guys who should be above him. Kaleta and Tootoo come to mind. Harts is hardly a clean player, 140+ PIMs is no mistake. Not egregious or dangerous, but very effectively dirty. He clearly rides the borderline (and steps over from time to time) and gets under opponents skin.
Hah, that avatar is ****ing hilarious.

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What do you consider dirty?
I don't consider someone who plays hard, finishes their checks, gets into skirmishes in front of the net, dirty.

I find someone who hacks, spears, gouges, bites, sucker punches, pulls hair, dirty. What also makes one dirty is someone who can do it behind the ref's back and gets away with it. That's what made Lemieux and Linseman so dirty. They would do all those things and routinely get away with it. And when they got caught, very seldom did they face retribution because they always hid behind the team tough guy.

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05-07-2009, 04:33 PM
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I don't consider someone who plays hard, finishes their checks, gets into skirmishes in front of the net, dirty.

I find someone who hacks, spears, gouges, bites, sucker punches, pulls hair, dirty. What also makes one dirty is someone who can do it behind the ref's back and gets away with it. That's what made Lemieux and Linseman so dirty. They would do all those things and routinely get away with it. And when they got caught, very seldom did they face retribution because they always hid behind the team tough guy.
slashing, elbowing, sticking out the leg, goalie running?

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Scotty's dirty but not in the class of those 4 guys. If he was in a small market with a buzz cut, he'd never make the top 10.

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I don't consider someone who plays hard, finishes their checks, gets into skirmishes in front of the net, dirty.

I find someone who hacks, spears, gouges, bites, sucker punches, pulls hair, dirty. What also makes one dirty is someone who can do it behind the ref's back and gets away with it. That's what made Lemieux and Linseman so dirty. They would do all those things and routinely get away with it. And when they got caught, very seldom did they face retribution because they always hid behind the team tough guy.


I miss Hatch too.

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Who is Steve Avery?

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Plays in the NHHL with Sam Heartnell and Corey Prongar

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Scotty's dirty but not in the class of those 4 guys. If he was in a small market with a buzz cut, he'd never make the top 10.
That's actually when he established his reputation.


This isn't a media opinion poll. When you're talking about player polls -- the market they're in is of no consequence.

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That's actually when he established his reputation.


This isn't a media opinion poll. When you're talking about player polls -- the market they're in is of no consequence.


I know where he established it...he still wouldn't have made top 5 if he was still in nashville. I'm not saying he's not dirty either, quite the opposite. I'm also not complaining.

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Dirtiest, no.

Definately up there as one of the top super pests though.

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he still wouldn't have made top 5 if he was still in nashville.
That's for sure. It's a compliment though.

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If people who are not Flyers fans are getting pissed off at him, it's a good thing. It means he's playing hard and doing his job. I hope Hartnell, in 10-15 years, retires as a Flyer.

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That's for sure. It's a compliment though.
"Dirty" is not a term of endearment.

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Two words: glove throwing.
Oh wow, i completely forgot about that...uh... *minor* incident, haha. That was insane watching that live. Ughghg.

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I dont think hes that dirty. he does take some lazy bad penalties no doubt.
But hes a **** disturber and I think anyone would take him on their team. He can score goals, is willing to drop the gloves.
I wonder how many goalies voted him dirty


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eugh, i can't stand sports illustrated when it comes to hockey. steve avery? really?

i've never seen hartnell as dirty. he's yappy and will try to agitate people, but he's not really a dirtbag either. he's a class clown more than a public menace.

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....along with Jani Pinkoten and Paul Forsberg

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Where did Steve Downie rank? Or do they mean present NHLers?

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in today's NHL crashing the net and throwing your glove is considered dirty.
Yeah we're a bit jaded. I've seen some Extraliga hockey and other leagues and holy ****, you see some real dirty play over there.

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I honestly think he should be higher on this list. There is a difference between what Hartnall does and what being a pest or an agitator does/is. Before we continue, I will say that I am a Flyers fan. I think the biggest difference in what Hartnall does compared to other agitator-type players (i.e. Corey Perry) is that part of the time Hartnall gains nothing from his stupidity. Sure there are times where he gets under the other teams skin and maybe draws a penalty, or he gets away with a cheap shot that the refs miss and an opportunity is created. However, there were countless times where he does something stupid that wouldnt give the Flyers and advantage and then he goes and sits in the box for 2, 4 or sometimes 5+ mins. Ive seen him slash players not near the puck, run into goalies while not even making any attempt to avoid them, he has had many questionable hits, and well, his after the whistle antics speak for themselves. Combine a cheap player with an unintelligent mind and you have Scott Hartnall...

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I honestly think he should be higher on this list. There is a difference between what Hartnall does and what being a pest or an agitator does/is. Before we continue, I will say that I am a Flyers fan. I think the biggest difference in what Hartnall does compared to other agitator-type players (i.e. Corey Perry) is that part of the time Hartnall gains nothing from his stupidity. Sure there are times where he gets under the other teams skin and maybe draws a penalty, or he gets away with a cheap shot that the refs miss and an opportunity is created. However, there were countless times where he does something stupid that wouldnt give the Flyers and advantage and then he goes and sits in the box for 2, 4 or sometimes 5+ mins. Ive seen him slash players not near the puck, run into goalies while not even making any attempt to avoid them, he has had many questionable hits, and well, his after the whistle antics speak for themselves. Combine a cheap player with an unintelligent mind and you have Scott Hartnall...
Is Scott Hartnall part of the NHHL too?

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I would be proud of myself if I was a power foward/grinder/agitator and my name showed up on that list. Dirty means tough in 2009, sadly. If players think chirping is "dirty" after whistles and stuff, this sport is really turning into soccer more than I thought.

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"Dirty" is not a term of endearment.
That depends. If you know the first thing about Philadelphia, and/or old school hockey, it can easily be a term of endearment.

If you know anything about those things you'd know it's every bit as offensive and enraging to take a stance against everything "dirty" as it is to stick up for them.

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He'll run a goalie or many, and stir the pot after the whistle, but i don't see him as dirty as some of those guys known for cheap shots resulting in injuries
I agree completely...

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That's because we're Flyers' fans. I don't see that either, but I have orange glasses on. Sort of like how the crowd who doesn't see Sidney Crosby as a whiner even though he topped a similar, player-made list.

But in more stunning fashion, they glorified this. They included this in their email newsletter. I wonder if the Ducks, Rangers, Stars and Senators did the same thing.
I'm not really a Flyers fan, although I've owned Hartnell for a while in fantasy leagues and have watched plenty of Philly games. I really don't think you can call Hartnell a dirty player. He's a rough player who borders on dirty sometimes, but to put him in the top 5? Really? I don't think so...

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