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05-09-2009, 01:28 PM
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Gomez+Sjostrom for Horcoff+Penner

Sjostrom is good 3rd line player, who cant get the chance in NY, Voros can play the 4th line with Betts and Orr.

Horcoff needs new challenge, Penner is overpaid, so he will fit in Rangers team.

Gomez has 7,35 caphit vs. Horcoff 5,5 +Penner 4,25
Rangers can afford it.

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Why would the Rangers want to downgrade at centre only to add more salary? Zero reason for N.Y. to make that trade.

Good trade for Edmonton. If for no other reason than to get rid of Dustin Penner.

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I don't think the Rangers should make a trade that adds them salary right now.

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05-09-2009, 01:47 PM
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As much complaining as I've done about Horcoff's new contract, I'd much rather have him at $5.5m than Gomez at 2 million more. Horcoff does a lot of things that Gomez can't, and for a guy who's supposedly paid big money to produce offense, Gomez hasn't done a very good job of that either.

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05-09-2009, 02:01 PM
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As much complaining as I've done about Horcoff's new contract, I'd much rather have him at $5.5m than Gomez at 2 million more. Horcoff does a lot of things that Gomez can't, and for a guy who's supposedly paid big money to produce offense, Gomez hasn't done a very good job of that either.
You forgot to mention Dustin Penner. Getting rid of that anchor is well worth the flip of Horcoff to Gomez.

Without Penner in the deal it makes little sense for the Oilers, with him in the deal it's a win.

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You forgot to mention Dustin Penner. Getting rid of that anchor is well worth the flip of Horcoff to Gomez.

Without Penner in the deal it makes little sense for the Oilers, with him in the deal it's a win.
Just like most, you think Penner is alot worse than he is.

Penner only has 3 years left, was the best +/- forward on the Oilers, and is going to for the first time as an Oiler, play for a Coach who doesn't hate him.

Penner has averaged 20 goals, and 22 assists a year as an Oiler.
Is he overpaid? Obviously, but he is still a useful and effective player when used properly.

People freaking about about having to pay people to take Penner is asinine. He very clearly fits in the mold of the new GM's plans, and I suspect you will see a very different Dustin Penner next year.

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05-09-2009, 02:16 PM
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You forgot to mention Dustin Penner. Getting rid of that anchor is well worth the flip of Horcoff to Gomez.

Without Penner in the deal it makes little sense for the Oilers, with him in the deal it's a win.
Nah. Penner has no value right now, obviously, but it's not like the Oilers are loaded with better options at LW. It's not like he's just taking a roster space away from some budding star. He's scored 40 goals in 2 seasons, and again while that's disappointing for what he's getting paid, the Oilers aren't loaded with LW who'd do better. I'm definitely willing to give him another season, because there's basically no downside. At worst, he disappoints again, in which case he could be bought out next summer for $6 million, just in time for the raises the Oilers will need to give some of the young guys.. That's not really that bad.


Bottom line, this trade definitely makes the Oilers worse.

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Montreal will take Penner of you.
What do you want?

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Just like most, you think Penner is alot worse than he is.

Penner only has 3 years left, was the best +/- forward on the Oilers, and is going to for the first time as an Oiler, play for a Coach who doesn't hate him.

Penner has averaged 20 goals, and 22 assists a year as an Oiler.
Is he overpaid? Obviously, but he is still a useful and effective player when used properly.

People freaking about about having to pay people to take Penner is asinine. He very clearly fits in the mold of the new GM's plans, and I suspect you will see a very different Dustin Penner next year.
This could be the case. Players have been known to flourish under some coaches and struggle under others.

On the other hand, Dustin Penner's indifference and laid back attitude is the culture the Oilers are trying to leave behind. If there are any takers I think you'll see Nilsson and Penner shipped out this summer.

I'm also not convinced Penner fits the mold of what Tambellini is looking for. The Oilers do want to get bigger but they also want to get grittier and and harder to play against. Penner only fills one of those criteria.

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Gomez+Sjostrom for Horcoff+Penner

Sjostrom is good 3rd line player, who cant get the chance in NY, Voros can play the 4th line with Betts and Orr.

Horcoff needs new challenge, Penner is overpaid, so he will fit in Rangers team.

Gomez has 7,35 caphit vs. Horcoff 5,5 +Penner 4,25
Rangers can afford it.
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This could be the case. Players have been known to flourish under some coaches and struggle under others.

On the other hand, Dustin Penner's indifference and laid back attitude is the culture the Oilers are trying to leave behind. If there are any takers I think you'll see Nilsson and Penner shipped out this summer.

I'm also not convinced Penner fits the mold of what Tambellini is looking for. The Oilers do want to get bigger but they also want to get grittier and and harder to play against. Penner only fills one of those criteria.
I would be pretty indefferent if half the stuff MacT spewed about Penner and Nilsson, sometimes completely uncalled for, was said about me.

Size is going to be a premium for the Oilers, and I don't see them giving up on Penner.

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No from Edmonton point of view, Horcoff is very important player for them. Yes Penner might be pain in the ass right now but who knows if he can turn it around.

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Montreal will take Penner of you.
What do you want?
um no we won't

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Anyone else really hope this happens just to see Hemsky & Gomez on the same line. Maybe they can then trade for PMB.

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what about gomez for penner and chorney?

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what about gomez for penner and chorney?
that would leave us with Gomez, Horcoff, Cogliano, Gagner, and Brodziak down the middle. If we trade for a centre, we have to have one going the other way

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A Gomez for Penner and Shremp would be a better trade in my mind. NYR has to shed at least one huge contract and does need size.

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A Gomez for Penner and Shremp would be a better trade in my mind. NYR has to shed at least one huge contract and does need size.
It's highly unlikely Edmonton would be in a position to add salary though. At the least the $$$ going back would have to equal Gomez's salary or Edmonton would look elsewhere.

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It's highly unlikely Edmonton would be in a position to add salary though. At the least the $$$ going back would have to equal Gomez's salary or Edmonton would look elsewhere.
im not sure what edmonton's finances are but gomez has made more money than the cap hit with the rangers so far. so in actual dollars edmonton will be paying him less than the cap hit if they traded for him. the problem with the oilers as a trade partner is that we wouldnt want any of your centers back either because we are deep at center.

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im not sure what edmonton's finances are but gomez has made more money than the cap hit with the rangers so far. so in actual dollars edmonton will be paying him less than the cap hit if they traded for him. the problem with the oilers as a trade partner is that we wouldnt want any of your centers back either because we are deep at center.
Cap hit is all that matters. They have a new owner, a very very rich one.

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Cap hit is all that matters. They have a new owner, a very very rich one.
hmm....i really do think gomez would excel in edmonton but they dont seem to have a great need for gomez without getting rid of cogliano and his huge cap hit for many years.

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Penner + Souray for Gomez + Redden

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Penner + Souray for Gomez + Redden
No thank you, with extreme prejudice.

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hmm....i really do think gomez would excel in edmonton but they dont seem to have a great need for gomez without getting rid of cogliano and his huge cap hit for many years.
You mean Horcoff and his huge cap hit of many years? (because Cogliano's cap hit isn't huge, and he isn't signed for many years.)

Again, no way in hell would I deal Horcoff for Gomez.

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No thank you, with extreme prejudice.



You mean Horcoff and his huge cap hit of many years? (because Cogliano's cap hit isn't huge, and he isn't signed for many years.)

Again, no way in hell would I deal Horcoff for Gomez.
yeah i meant horcoff. and you really would be completely against a gomez for horcoff trade straight up? horcoff is a year older and signed to a year longer than gomez. has a contract nearly as bad as gomez and isnt nearly as good as gomez.

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