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05-11-2009, 08:28 AM
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Obviously you are extremely uninformed and this statement proves it.
Extremely uninformed is stating Robidas is a better player than Roszival

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05-11-2009, 08:33 AM
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Wow, can you say one sided?

No chance in hell Dallas does this. Robidas is wayyy better than Rozsival, and isn't signed to a horrible contract. So that part of the trade is bad enough, but then you tacked on trading 1st for 1st? So Dallas gets a downgrade on defense, takes on more salary, and moves down in the draft?
Horrible contract

Roszival has $13 million due over the next 3 seasons

Roszival>Robidas

Robidas for Roszival knocks it down to $11.5 million for 3 seasons

You are not signing a top 4 D to a cheaper contract this summer.

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I dont know how you can claim Rozsival is better than Robidas. I'll be honest, Im not an expert on either, but Robidas was an alternate in the All-Star game, had only 4 points less than Robidas in 4 fewer games. Was a +10 on a non-playoff team that allowed 27 more goals than scored. Rozsival -7 on a playoff team on team that allowed 8 more goals than were scored. They both log a lot of minutes, similar age.

I dont have a dog in this fight, but I dont know how you can claim Rozsival is clearly the better player. I think that most GMs would select Robidas, especially if you take into consideration the difference between cap hits.

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Horrible contract

Roszival has $13 million due over the next 3 seasons

Roszival>Robidas

Robidas for Roszival knocks it down to $11.5 million for 3 seasons

You are not signing a top 4 D to a cheaper contract this summer.
My biggest problem with this deal isn't the Robi-for-Roszi exchange, but rather the fact that Dallas plummets out of the top 10 in the draft, and also gives up a prospect in the process, while tacking on some hefty salary. The difference between the two blueliners is not enough to warrant such a steep drop in draft picks; and yes, IMO, in this year it IS a steep drop from 8th to wherever the hell the Rags ended up, not going to look it up.

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I'm not a fan of either team but my take on this is.
Rangers are the needy team here and would need to pay if they want to lose the Roszival cap hit.

Roszival and an 09 1st to Dallas
Robidas and an 09 3rd or 4th to NYR

Otherwise there is no reason for Dallas to have any interest in this at all. 5 on 5 IMO Roszival is slightly better than Robidas on offense and significantly worse on defense. Roszival gains advantage as a PPQB but not enough to cover his dollars.
If the Rangers want Dallas to eat the dollars it will cost them.

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Obviously you are extremely uninformed and this statement proves it.
right. jamie benn is the the next rick nash, all of your other prospects have superstar potential.

your prospects are mediocre and u saying otherwise is just being you being a homer.

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Horrible contract

Roszival has $13 million due over the next 3 seasons

Roszival>Robidas

Robidas for Roszival knocks it down to $11.5 million for 3 seasons

You are not signing a top 4 D to a cheaper contract this summer.
Sorry, but Roszival is pretty much an average defenseman on a good day.

With his contract, he's garbage.

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05-11-2009, 10:46 AM
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because they get a better offensive defenseman whos about a year and half younger and get a 3rd rounder in a very deep draft too help add to a very mediocre group of young prospects.
Rozsival isnt some offensive stud, he had a whopping 4 more points than Robidas this year, and has hit 40 points exactly once in his career. Not to mention Robidas is a better player defensively, which you know, is a defensemans primary job.

A 3rd rounder isn't going to make up the difference in salary.

As for the bolded part, only if you go by HF's flawed rankings.

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Rozsival isnt some offensive stud, he had a whopping 4 more points than Robidas this year, and has hit 40 points exactly once in his career. Not to mention Robidas is a better player defensively, which you know, is a defensemans primary job.

A 3rd rounder isn't going to make up the difference in salary.

As for the bolded part, only if you go by HF's flawed rankings.
if you think dallas as above average core of prospects than i dont know what to tell ya.

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Sorry, but Roszival is pretty much an average defenseman on a good day.

With his contract, he's garbage.
Roszival would the #1 on your team.

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Sorry, but Roszival is pretty much an average defenseman on a good day.

With his contract, he's garbage.
Oh boy

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A lot of misinformed fans regarding Roszival in this thread....

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Then why are you all trying to give him away? If he is so great the Rangers should build around is excellent defensive play and world class offensive talent. When you combine that with his bargain price contract I am sure Ranger fans would be irate should management consider moving him.

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Then why are you all trying to give him away? If he is so great the Rangers should build around is excellent defensive play and world class offensive talent. When you combine that with his bargain price contract I am sure Ranger fans would be irate should management consider moving him.
Because defense is a place the Rangers actually do have depth.

The need to generate some form of cap space brings the need to trade a player with a large contract. Drury is immovable as is Redden. Lundqvist will not be traded, and Gomez can be traded, but the Rangers would probably have to overpay to do so and it leaves a gap at the teams number 1 center hole.

This leaves Rozsival.

Rozsival is bigger.
Rozsival puts up better numbers.
Rozsival would instantly be at least a top 4 dman on Dallas.

Last Season:

Rozsival - 76 games; 8 goals 22 assists; 30 points.
Robidas - 72 games; 3 goals; 23 assists; 26 points

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Rozsival - 555 games; 54 goals; 149 assists; 203 points
Robidas - 561 games; 30 goals; 105 assists; 135 points

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Extremely uninformed is stating Robidas is a better player than Roszival
And boy i'm glad that is exactly what i said..

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Then why are you all trying to give him away? If he is so great the Rangers should build around his excellent defensive play and world class offensive talent. When you combine that with his bargain price contract I am sure Ranger fans would be irate should management consider moving him.
Let's just wager a guess it has to do with being close to the cap and nothing to do with what he does on the ice, which is play a very solid game.

However the Rangers do have depth on defense and moving Roszival is a likely option.

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I'm not a fan of either team but my take on this is.
Rangers are the needy team here and would need to pay if they want to lose the Roszival cap hit.

Roszival and an 09 1st to Dallas
Robidas and an 09 3rd or 4th to NYR

Otherwise there is no reason for Dallas to have any interest in this at all. 5 on 5 IMO Roszival is slightly better than Robidas on offense and significantly worse on defense. Roszival gains advantage as a PPQB but not enough to cover his dollars.
If the Rangers want Dallas to eat the dollars it will cost them.
I think this is pretty close to Dallas' perspective. The teams had plenty of opportunity to do adeal when Avery was involved and didnot. I assume they are way off in terms of value. With Hicks not wanting to take on big contracts, I presume the difference is even wider.

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Roszival would the #1 on your team.
Only if Sydor retires

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Roszival would the #1 on your team.
I've watched Rozsival since he broke into the league, being a Penguins fan and living in NJ where I get to watch the Flyers/Devils/Rangers/Isles night in and night out. He is an average defenseman, with a bit of offensive ability who is nothing special in his own end. He is a decent skater who doesn't play to his size's ability. All truth, and whether you want to come to grips with that fact or not, is up to you.

Don't take it personally and get all defensive, it's not like he's a family member of yours or something, jeez.

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right. jamie benn is the the next rick nash, all of your other prospects have superstar potential.

your prospects are mediocre and u saying otherwise is just being you being a homer.
So Ondrej Roman, Ivan Vishnevskiy, Philip Larsen, Raymond Sawada, Colton Sceviour, Matt Tassone and Tom Wandell are mediocre..

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if you think dallas as above average core of prospects than i dont know what to tell ya.
There is a wide gap between what you call mediocre and above average. The Stars have an overall good pool of prospects. I would bet my bottom Dollar you do not know **** about the Stars prospects. You just go by the people you have heard of to draw your flawed statements. Guys that may not be well know like Larsen and Roman are great assets to our prospect pool. We will add yet another with the 8th pick overall that the Rangers will not get!

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Roszival would the #1 on your team.
We don't need him....That is what people are failing to see. Also Zubov with Forsberg's ankles and smoking a cigarette is better than Roszival.


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Because defense is a place the Rangers actually do have depth.

The need to generate some form of cap space brings the need to trade a player with a large contract. Drury is immovable as is Redden. Lundqvist will not be traded, and Gomez can be traded, but the Rangers would probably have to overpay to do so and it leaves a gap at the teams number 1 center hole.

This leaves Rozsival.

Rozsival is bigger.
Rozsival puts up better numbers.
Rozsival would instantly be at least a top 4 dman on Dallas.

Last Season:

Rozsival - 76 games; 8 goals 22 assists; 30 points.
Robidas - 72 games; 3 goals; 23 assists; 26 points

Career:

Rozsival - 555 games; 54 goals; 149 assists; 203 points
Robidas - 561 games; 30 goals; 105 assists; 135 points
The biggest problem with Rozsival is his long term contract. The Stars have a ton of young guys who are going to be up for new contracts(and raises) the next few years, so adding a long contract doesnt make sense unless its a big time upgrade(which Rozsival is not). Not to mention dropping out of the top 10 in the draft to do so makes even less sense.

Much rather the Stars either move forward with what they have(and all the young guys now have another year under their belt), or find someone better to trade for.


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Because defense is a place the Rangers actually do have depth.

The need to generate some form of cap space brings the need to trade a player with a large contract. Drury is immovable as is Redden. Lundqvist will not be traded, and Gomez can be traded, but the Rangers would probably have to overpay to do so and it leaves a gap at the teams number 1 center hole.

This leaves Rozsival.

Rozsival is bigger.
Rozsival puts up better numbers.
Rozsival would instantly be at least a top 4 dman on Dallas.

Last Season:

Rozsival - 76 games; 8 goals 22 assists; 30 points.
Robidas - 72 games; 3 goals; 23 assists; 26 points

Career:

Rozsival - 555 games; 54 goals; 149 assists; 203 points
Robidas - 561 games; 30 goals; 105 assists; 135 points
So you admit the Rangers are the needy team and here and NEED another team to step up and help them out.
Also if you read the stats that you posted you also know these 2 guys are pretty close in terms of value.
Why in the world would Dallas do it?

I stand by my earlier post. If the Rangers NEED to make the move it won't come for free. Add your 1st to Roszival and I could see the Stars giving you Robidas and a late round pick in return.
Otherwise, good luck with not being able to add a forward you need.

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Once again, Ranger fans trying to unload their bad contracts on other teams.

No way they ship Roby for Rozy. Dallas needs to cap space to sign their youths after next season. Plus, Roby held is ground as a #1 defenseman last year. He wasn't great, but if he gets some help, he'll be a great depth defenseman.

Also, Benn and Larsen might be the biggest steals in the last drafts. Look it up.

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Because defense is a place the Rangers actually do have depth.

The need to generate some form of cap space brings the need to trade a player with a large contract. Drury is immovable as is Redden. Lundqvist will not be traded, and Gomez can be traded, but the Rangers would probably have to overpay to do so and it leaves a gap at the teams number 1 center hole.

This leaves Rozsival.

Rozsival is bigger.
Rozsival puts up better numbers.
Rozsival would instantly be at least a top 4 dman on Dallas.

Last Season:

Rozsival - 76 games; 8 goals 22 assists; 30 points.
Robidas - 72 games; 3 goals; 23 assists; 26 points

Career:

Rozsival - 555 games; 54 goals; 149 assists; 203 points
Robidas - 561 games; 30 goals; 105 assists; 135 points
Everyone knows Robidas isnt going to put up big numbers. Rozsival had 4 more points then Robidas last year, and i bet Rozsival had alot more powerplay time then Robidas.

Nothing against Rozsival but it doesnt seem worth it at all to trade Robidas for him and gain more salary

I'd much rather have Vishnevskiy get a shot next year and see what kind of numbers he can put up, and i'd be willing to bet if he played a full year he would put up more points then Robidas while making less then a million

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lol terrible, face it your stuck with rozi

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