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05-12-2009, 05:42 PM
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The trade deadline determines which players can suit up for playoff teams. No trades after the deadline can have an impact on playoff rosters. However, teams can negotiate, sign, and make deals as long as the deals have no impact on the rosters as they are already set.
What would be an example of a trade that has no impact on the rosters as they are already set?

I'm not being a twit, I'm genuinely ignorant.

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Had you followed hockey for a few decades, you'd know that it's far from a bargaining or negotiation tactic, although it may be for the clown of a GM you guys have in place. Reveling the players' names in public has never been part of the negotiations for as long as I've been following the game. So keep believing what comes out of the bubble in Tampa, the rest of the hockey world knows better.
By 'the rest of the hockey world knows better' you really mean you're crapping rainbows. Unless there is something your not telling us you have never been involved in any kind of trade negotiation on behalf of an NHL team?

You may not think it is part of the negotiation but what do you know (again if you have been involved in NHL trade talks I will apologise profusely) at this point all you are spewing is speculation and anti Tampa bile.


I also love how when Lawton revealed the names of players involved in the potential Lecavalier trade he was ridiculed and labeled a "clown", yet Burke may have done the same thing (contradicting sources some say Burke some say OK) and there is nothing.... oh wait the south hates hockey and doesnt deserve any teams

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05-12-2009, 05:46 PM
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What would be an example of a trade that has no impact on the rosters as they are already set?

I'm not being a twit, I'm genuinely ignorant.
Basically, if a deal was made, teams couldn't use any players involved till the next season.

So if say (not proposing anything) the Pens and Caps swapped Ovechkin and Malkin, right now. Neither of them would be able to play for the rest of their respective seasons, but it would be an official deal.

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05-12-2009, 05:57 PM
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Who cares that this information was leaked. Who cares if they use the media in trade talks. It's a game between two GM's, let's just enjoy it. I'm glad this came out so we can get some actual trade info on potential deals and see what may or may not happen. It's far better than all the god awful fake proposals that go on here.

As for the asking price in the trade, Burke better not do it. As a Leafs fan I'd rather keep all the assets than move them for one high potential level player. We don't have a stocked fridge right now. In terms of Tampa, talk about a win/win. They either get the offer rejected and draft Hedman, or they make the trade and get an excellent puck mover in Kaberle on a good contract, a great young guy in Schenn, and the 7th overall pick.

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05-12-2009, 06:00 PM
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You can't either, it seems. Lawton was the one running his mouth, not Koules.
Quoting the leafs forum here:

According to Doug MacLean of Rogers Sportsnet and The FAN590, Lightning owner Oren Koules has told Rogers Sportsnet that Tampa ownership is willing to trade Tampa's 2009 1st round pick (2nd overall) to Toronto in exchange for Toronto's 2009 1st round pick (7th overall), Tomas Kaberle, and Luke Schenn.


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05-12-2009, 06:04 PM
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Basically, if a deal was made, teams couldn't use any players involved till the next season.

So if say (not proposing anything) the Pens and Caps swapped Ovechkin and Malkin, right now. Neither of them would be able to play for the rest of their respective seasons, but it would be an official deal.

Can you even move guys who are on the playoff roster?

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Basically, if a deal was made, teams couldn't use any players involved till the next season.

So if say (not proposing anything) the Pens and Caps swapped Ovechkin and Malkin, right now. Neither of them would be able to play for the rest of their respective seasons, but it would be an official deal.
Thanks for the insight.

By your explaination I'm guessing that what is meant by having 'no affect on the playoff rosters' doesn't include subtracting players ... Only adding them.

Makes sense I guess, but why two teams would ever want to remove players from their roster without replacing in time for the playoffs them doesn't seem like a great idea. Although, two non playoff teams wouldn't much be affected.

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"This pick is not on the table."

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05-12-2009, 06:21 PM
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According to Doug MacLean of Rogers Sportsnet and The FAN590, Lightning owner Oren Koules has told Rogers Sportsnet that Tampa ownership is willing to trade Tampa's 2009 1st round pick (2nd overall) to Toronto in exchange for Toronto's 2009 1st round pick (7th overall), Tomas Kaberle, and Luke Schenn.
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Leafs general manager Brian Burke has confirmed to Sportsnet via e-mail that the Lightning have asked for Toronto defencemen Tomas Kaberle and Luke Schenn along with the team's No. 7 pick in exchange for Tampa's No. 2 selection.
Sorry if that doesnt give you another reason to bash Tampa

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I agree with your statement.

However, having watched the Islanders GM in a phone interview with Sportsnet a few weeks back, he was very tentative to reveal any information at all.

This tactic can detract from the enthusiasm on the part of the fans. If I were a NYI fan, I would love to read trade speculation and offers. Just to build excitement over the summer and heading into the draft.

Regardless, if Snow plans on trading the #1 overall pick. Just create some hype and get people talking about the organization.
very few nyi fans want the pick traded.Getting a possible cornerstone player is excitement enough

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05-12-2009, 06:57 PM
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If I was Burke, I'd do this trade and then sign Komisarek and Beauchemin. It's your only chance to get this kind of player for a long time (the Leafs won't be picking high next year). Got to give to get.

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Had you followed hockey for a few decades, you'd know that it's far from a bargaining or negotiation tactic, although it may be for the clown of a GM you guys have in place. Reveling the players' names in public has never been part of the negotiations for as long as I've been following the game. So keep believing what comes out of the bubble in Tampa, the rest of the hockey world knows better.
Shouldn't you be at your "honest Bob" shrine right now?

I have followed hockey for decades, thanks.

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I don't think giving all three is fair for the leafs.

However, if NYI picks Hedman and Tavares is available, would Leafs fans give just Kaberle and Schenn for #2.

If that's not enough from TB standpoint, how bout Kaberle, Schenn and 2nd rounder for #2.

That gives the leafs #2 and #7 and frees up cap space to sign defencemen?

Just a thought

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05-12-2009, 07:54 PM
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Either that or he hopes that Burke is just as moronic as Howard Berger, who suggested that the same package would be a fair deal.
Sounds like Lawton is playing the exact same game Burke was before the trade deadline. Burke was asking the moon for his players too.

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Quoting a much more reliable source in the Op

Sorry if that doesnt give you another reason to bash Tampa
The two quotes aren't mutually exclusive. Sportsnet was given this information from Tampa, and Burke confirmed that the offer was received. Very simple. It obviously didn't bother Burke, so there's no reason to bash Tampa. I don't think Burke cares if his players know they might be traded.

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According to the Toronto Sun, Burke already called Schenn and Kaberle and told them both that they are not going to Tampa Bay.

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Would you trade Schenn, Kaberle, and a #7 pick for Chara?
Hedman seems like the next Chara and would add a lot of size to the Maple Leafs.
I agree that the price might be too high, maybe Kaberle, the #7 pick, and a conditional pick in 2010.

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Quoting the leafs forum here:

According to Doug MacLean of Rogers Sportsnet and The FAN590, Lightning owner Oren Koules has told Rogers Sportsnet that Tampa ownership is willing to trade Tampa's 2009 1st round pick (2nd overall) to Toronto in exchange for Toronto's 2009 1st round pick (7th overall), Tomas Kaberle, and Luke Schenn.
And in other news Chicago owner Rocky Wirtz is willing to trade Chicago's 1st round pick to the Pittsburgh Penguins for Sydney Crosby and Geno Malkin.

Where is the story here?

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According to the Toronto Sun, Burke already called Schenn and Kaberle and told them both that they are not going to Tampa Bay.
Which is cool. I'd love that return for the 2, but I highly doubt it'll happen, and I like Hedman too.

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Would you trade Schenn, Kaberle, and a #7 pick for Chara?
Hedman seems like the next Chara and would add a lot of size to the Maple Leafs.
I agree that the price might be too high, maybe Kaberle, the #7 pick, and a conditional pick in 2010.
Chara is WAY more physical. He's more comparable to a slightly lower level Lidstrom. But I agree, it could be worth it down the road... But VERY hard to swallow.

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Burke is the one who puts himself in a position to be held at ransom. He publicly states that he will aggressively go after the top two picks, now he has to deliver. Not exactly the position of strength for someone in the hockey's center of the universe.

He acts like he is entitled to a shot at the picks and maybe it rubs guys the wrong way. Or maybe Burke is announcing this deal to bail himself out with the fans, saying 'hey, it's unreasonable for me to acquire the pick at this price'. Now he's not the failure and bad guy.

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the leafs hang up the phone and leaf

schenn
kaberle
7th

for the 2nd?


Over payment much?


Yes Sir

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Good thing Brian Burke won't bite ...... The Leafs management thought Schenn + Kaberle was ridiculous for the 2nd overall , not sure what they would think of adding the 7th pick as well .

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Would you trade Schenn, Kaberle, and a #7 pick for Chara?
Hedman seems like the next Chara and would add a lot of size to the Maple Leafs.
I agree that the price might be too high, maybe Kaberle, the #7 pick, and a conditional pick in 2010.
Hedman is about as far away from Chara as they come. 5'10 Ian White plays with more bite than Hedman does.

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