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05-12-2009, 10:45 PM
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Can we close this thread? Malkin for Kovalchuk makes us a one line, worse off team.

Secondly, I agree Sid and Geno do not need Hossa-esque, elite wingers. They need good 3-4 mill range players that can keep up with them. Guys like Sharp, Frolov, Ryder, Booth, Lupul, Kovalev, Michalek, A Kostitsyn. All with over 20 goals and none more than 5 mill i dont think, except possibly Frolov's next contract.
Do not talk about Frolov, please dont go Fro

As Morozov said, move up Malkin to wing and Staal is a very, very good second line center. maybe get Pahlsson at a low price to take Staals spot, or could Staal play with Crosby

Geurin-Crosby-Staal would destroy So put Staal with Sid da Kid

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Umm you better add Little, Bogosian, Armstrong and firsts for the pens to even look at this. Lets look at this further Malkin signed 5 years Kovalchuk has one right there is a huge difference, but lets assume Kovalchuk signs for 5 years ok now that will take him till he is 31. Where Malkin will be 27 still many years left to blossom, Little is a force and would be nice, along with Bogosian, and Army is a favorite in Pittsburgh however, Assuming a trade went down something like Kovalchuk, Bogosian, Little, and Armstrong and first round pick for Malkin salary dump, I think this is where a value for the art ross winner who has 5 years left on his contract is and who is only 21 years old.
Yeah, because Malkin has so much more value than a 26 year old with 297 career goals (doing so with a collection of some of the league's worst talent surrounding him).

Wake up to reality.

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Do not talk about Frolov, please dont go Fro

As Morozov said, move up Malkin to wing and Staal is a very, very good second line center. maybe get Pahlsson at a low price to take Staals spot, or could Staal play with Crosby

Geurin-Crosby-Staal would destroy So put Staal with Sid da Kid
Staal on the wing does not work, Malkin isn't as good on the wing as he is at C either but he still makes a better option at wing than most players in the league. Much prefer Crosby-Malkin down the middle but for arguments sake if we needed Sid to have an elite winger we shift Malkin there and tada we have one.

Also Frolov would look great across the back of a Pens jersey

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Staal on the wing does not work, Malkin isn't as good on the wing as he is at C either but he still makes a better option at wing than most players in the league. Much prefer Crosby-Malkin down the middle but for arguments sake if we needed Sid to have an elite winger we shift Malkin there and tada we have one.

Also Frolov would look great across the back of a Pens jersey
not cool
How about Malkin in a Kings jersey
Ill trade Fro for Geno if we didnt sign a gaborik type player who gets alot of money
but not an intense overpayment like b1235c's idea

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Yeah I understand that Malkin's value alone is probably worth more than Kovalchuk's but if you throw in Little, Bogosian and Armstrong you kind of leave Atl with nothing for Malkin to play with, meaning Atl probably wouldn't do it.
Not Pittsburgh's problem.

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Yeah, because Malkin has so much more value than a 26 year old with 297 career goals (doing so with a collection of some of the league's worst talent surrounding him).
Yep.

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not cool
How about Malkin in a Kings jersey
Ill trade Fro for Geno if we didnt sign a gaborik type player who gets alot of money
but not an intense overpayment like b1235c's idea

"Fro" isnt even in Geno's realm.

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If Sid really did need an "elite" winger (which he doesn't) we would be better off moving Malkin to the wing permanently which would still be a better wing option than pretty much anything else out there and would have far less complications.
That's a good point but a big part of the reason you'd want to trade Malkin would be to lighten the cap load. You have 6 UFA fwds this season, including at least 5 wingers and you have the ability to trade Malkin (at an 8.7m hit) to acquire a few assets that would 1) Give Sid some better linemates and 2) Improve the overall depth of your team.

I agree that acquiring Kovalchuk may not be the answer as it's been pointed out, he's a UFA in only one season and will likely require a raise that could very well end up costing too much for the Pens (assuming Kovalchuk wants to stay) or costing nearly as much as Malkin's current deal or even worse, leaving you only with cap space as an asset if Kovalchuk decided not to stay.

However, there must be some cheaper options in the 5-7m range that would yield a great winger for Sid. At that price you could still afford to land a few more in the 2.5-4m range that would give you a great 2 top lines with Sid and Staal centring.

I agree that Sid doesn't need an elite winger, or even a first line winger. In fact, he doesn't need anything more than Tyler Kennedy and Bob Ray to be an impact player and leader on the team. But wouldn't you love to see him with Nash or Heatley or Kovalchuk? He'd score 150+pts including 100+assists and his winger would score 70 goals. Doesn't anybody else want to see that/believe it would happen if he was paired with a true goal scorer?

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Not Pittsburgh's problem.
It would be in the event Pittsburgh wanted to acquire Kovalchuk.

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That's a good point but a big part of the reason you'd want to trade Malkin would be to lighten the cap load. You have 6 UFA fwds this season, including at least 5 wingers and you have the ability to trade Malkin (at an 8.7m hit) to acquire a few assets that would 1) Give Sid some better linemates and 2) Improve the overall depth of your team.

I agree that acquiring Kovalchuk may not be the answer as it's been pointed out, he's a UFA in only one season and will likely require a raise that could very well end up either costing too much for the Pens (assuming Kovalchuk wants to stay) or costing nearly as much as Malkin's current deal or even worse, deciding to leave ala Hossa, leaving you only with cap space as an asset.

However, there must be some cheaper options in the 5-7m range that would yield a great winger for Sid. At that price you could still afford to land a few more in the 2.5-4m range that would give you a great 2 top lines with Sid and Staal centring.

I agree that Sid doesn't need an elite winger, or even a first line winger. In fact, he doesn't need anything more than Tyler Kennedy and Bob Ray to be an impact player and leader on the team. But wouldn't you love to see him with Nash or Heatley or Kovalchuk? He'd score 150+pts including 100+assists and his winger would score 70 goals. Doesn't anybody else want to see that/believe it would happen if he was paired with a true goal scorer?
Malkin isn't going to be moved in the name of lightening "the cap load" what is so special about the idea of Sid with Nash or Heater that can't be done with Crosby/Malkin? Malkin had 47 goals last year, more than Nash has ever scored and 3 less than Heaters career best.

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It would be in the event Pittsburgh wanted to acquire Kovalchuk.
But we don't because we are happy with the two headed monster.

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05-13-2009, 12:28 AM
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Seriously Malkin/Crosby is the face of the Penguins for years and years and years to come, they aren't even close to their prime years, we are in no hurry to get rid of one of them in the name of getting "depth" the Pens will quite happily keep both of our young superstars and surround them with ufas, projects and in house developed prospects until we find the right mix. There is no hurry, the window for Malkin/Crosby to win a cup isn't going to close any time soon. Eventually the right wings will be found through one way or another but not at the expense of these two.

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I agree that he is better but answer me this

Is he really worth

Future Top Line Forward - Little
Future Franchise Defenseman
Top 4 pick (Our No.1 this year) Chances are it will be another top of the line player. He also implied more than one first.
Good Third Liner

All in addition to Kovalchuk. The Pens would do that in a second if they could.
I never said suggested any trades - all I am saying is that it would take a huge overpayment to land Malkin.

He's an amazing player and to get a young player who is already performing at a peak level and not even his prime yet, it costs a pretty penny.

For all you saying that it could take a package of Frolov or Kovalchuk and a pick.. dream on. This guy is an absolute beast - Perennial Hart and Art Ross Trophy contender and I could see some Selkes in his future as well.

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