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05-18-2009, 11:52 AM
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Would Preds fans do:

Shea Weber D
rights to Steve Sullivan LW/RW
Antti Philstrom prospect LW?

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Dany Heatley LW/RW
Alexandre Picard D
rights to Brendan Bell D

The salaries are basically the same. Nashville upgrades on forward and gets a solid 2nd/3rd pairing D man. The rights to Bell if they even want him at all. They give up a #1 defenseman a prospect and a winger that they might not even be able to resign.

The sens get their PMD, a solid second line forward that would resign for 2.5-3.5 and a decent prospect for Bingo. They give up a 40 goal winger and 2 defenseman that are lower on their depth chart.


If Sullivan signs for that amount there is no way he won't resign with the Predators unless he is going for a cup and Ottawa is not doing that. It also makes Nashville worse in every aspect even offense assuming Sullivan signs. Heatley and Picard combined had 45 goals and 86 points. Sullivan and Weber had 34 goals and 85 points.

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05-18-2009, 12:27 PM
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If Sullivan signs for that amount there is no way he won't resign with the Predators unless he is going for a cup and Ottawa is not doing that. It also makes Nashville worse in every aspect even offense assuming Sullivan signs. Heatley and Picard combined had 45 goals and 86 points. Sullivan and Weber had 34 goals and 85 points.
Fair enough, I was just asking.

I'm just a little confused on two points.

1. How does Nashville get worse on forward going from Sullivan to Heatley? This coming from a Heatley hater.

2. You say how horrible this trade is but then you show the statrs and the stats show that Nashville actually ends up getting the edge. Also taking in to consideration that Heatley had arguably his worst year as an NHLer while playing 3/4 of the season under a ****** defensive coach.

Not arguing here just want a simple explanation.

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05-18-2009, 12:36 PM
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Fair enough, I was just asking.

I'm just a little confused on two points.

1. How does Nashville get worse on forward going from Sullivan to Heatley? This coming from a Heatley hater.

2. You say how horrible this trade is but then you show the statrs and the stats show that Nashville actually ends up getting the edge. Also taking in to consideration that Heatley had arguably his worst year as an NHLer while playing 3/4 of the season under a ****** defensive coach.

Not arguing here just want a simple explanation.
And Picard only played half a year. *Although Sulli missed time too.

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05-18-2009, 12:58 PM
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And Picard only played half a year. *Although Sulli missed time too.
Yeah they both missed a good amount of time.
But Heatley and PIcard were second unit powerplay whereas Weber and Sully were both first unit specialists. It might not seem like much but it can make a huge difference.

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05-18-2009, 01:09 PM
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Yeah they both missed a good amount of time.
But Heatley and PIcard were second unit powerplay whereas Weber and Sully were both first unit specialists. It might not seem like much but it can make a huge difference.
Heatley, Picard, Columbus 2nd, for Weber and Sully. Even if we can't sign Sully, I'm not upset with that trade because of the cap space it gives us. Or if Nashville wants a more high end d, Heatley and Lee for Weber, Sully, and a 3rd would be cool too.

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05-18-2009, 01:20 PM
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I find it funny to see a bunch of Ottawa fans countering proposals made by Ottawa fans. The value of the Predator assets keep going down, while Ottawa's grow exponentially. The Predators would not make the first deal, in a 1 for 1 swap. Why would they then add more?
There is a big chunk of Sens fans who really over rate the talent on the team and find a way to knock most talent around the league.

Being a Sens fan, I see this everyday on the board.

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05-18-2009, 01:39 PM
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There is a big chunk of Sens fans who really over rate the talent on the team and find a way to knock most talent around the league.

Being a Sens fan, I see this everyday on the board.
We all do it, it's not unique to Sens fans. I would give up any asset on out team other than Spezza for Weber, just because of the whole it leaves us with. Weber is so damn good.

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05-18-2009, 01:53 PM
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so trade one of the best young D's in the game for an overpaid player who wouldn't put up many points in Nashville's system?
Heatley is not overpaid. I think your mixing up overpaid and expensive together. He's a 40-50 goal scorer.

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05-18-2009, 02:00 PM
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Heatley is not overpaid. I think your mixing up overpaid and expensive together. He's a 40-50 goal scorer.
This is one of my favourite posts. I think this board may have a new catch phrase, "I think you are mixing up overpaid and expensive."

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05-18-2009, 02:06 PM
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This is one of my favourite posts. I think this board may have a new catch phrase, "I think you are mixing up overpaid and expensive."
Overpaid as he's not worth his money and expensive as in a lot of money?


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05-18-2009, 02:22 PM
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Would Preds fans do:

Shea Weber D
rights to Steve Sullivan LW/RW
Antti Philstrom prospect LW?

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Dany Heatley LW/RW
Alexandre Picard D
rights to Brendan Bell D

The salaries are basically the same. Nashville upgrades on forward and gets a solid 2nd/3rd pairing D man. The rights to Bell if they even want him at all. They give up a #1 defenseman a prospect and a winger that they might not even be able to resign.

The sens get their PMD, a solid second line forward that would resign for 2.5-3.5 and a decent prospect for Bingo. They give up a 40 goal winger and 2 defenseman that are lower on their depth chart.
Weber is not a puck-mover by any means. That's a big reason for him being paired with Suter, who is a puck-mover.

At the price you suggest, I'll keep Sullivan. He may not put up 40 goals, but he's still THE offensive catalyst on this team, and if he signs for $3.5M, we spend $8M and keep Sullivan AND Weber, rather than $7.5M-ish for just Heatley.

I'd trade Pihlström for Picard or Bell head-up, though.

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05-18-2009, 02:23 PM
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I think this is a good start to a trade between both the Sens and Preds. Seeing what others posted their are so many reasonable paths to take and think it comes down to the salary.

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05-18-2009, 02:26 PM
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Weber is not a puck-mover by any means. That's a big reason for him being paired with Suter, who is a puck-mover.

At the price you suggest, I'll keep Sullivan. He may not put up 40 goals, but he's still THE offensive catalyst on this team, and if he signs for $3.5M, we spend $8M and keep Sullivan AND Weber, rather than $7.5M-ish for just Heatley.

I'd trade Pihlström for Picard or Bell head-up, though.
lol I'd give you Bell for Pihlstrom any day

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05-18-2009, 02:29 PM
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I think this is a good start to a trade between both the Sens and Preds. Seeing what others posted their are so many reasonable paths to take and think it comes down to the salary.
I think it's no where close to temping Nashville.

It's almost unfathomable that Nashville would trade Weber. Only scenario I see is that Pittsburgh decides to spead the wealth around (forward/defense), and trade Malkin for Weber+.

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05-18-2009, 04:09 PM
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lol I'd give you Bell for Pihlstrom any day
Are you sure about that? Pihlström is pretty much worthless in the grand scheme of things.

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05-18-2009, 04:17 PM
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Are you sure about that? Pihlström is pretty much worthless in the grand scheme of things.
Same goes for Bell. I guess it's a pretty pointless trade. While Bell put up points this year he was horrible defensively and showed why Phoenix and Toronto did not want him.

What would it take to get the rights to Koistinen? I know that Ottawa has an excess amount of decent but not spectacular defenseman but I think Koistinen could flourish under Clouston's system and with Smith and Bell hopefully gone, and Karlsson in the minors that means we could enter next season with:

Kuba Lee
Phillips Volchenkov
Campoli Koistinen
Picard

Which while that isn't spectacular, it definitely isn't all that bad.

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Are you sure about that? Pihlström is pretty much worthless in the grand scheme of things.
How bout Smith then?

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05-18-2009, 07:08 PM
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Same goes for Bell. I guess it's a pretty pointless trade. While Bell put up points this year he was horrible defensively and showed why Phoenix and Toronto did not want him.

What would it take to get the rights to Koistinen? I know that Ottawa has an excess amount of decent but not spectacular defenseman but I think Koistinen could flourish under Clouston's system and with Smith and Bell hopefully gone, and Karlsson in the minors that means we could enter next season with:

Kuba Lee
Phillips Volchenkov
Campoli Koistinen
Picard

Which while that isn't spectacular, it definitely isn't all that bad.
I think there's a good possibility that Koistinen goes back to Europe this year.

Is Picard really that bad? I thought he looked decent enough in Tampa last spring...

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I think there's a good possibility that Koistinen goes back to Europe this year.

Is Picard really that bad? I thought he looked decent enough in Tampa last spring...
No No he's a good player. I actually like him ALOT but CLouston doesn't seem to be too fond of him so if we aren't even going to play him I at least want something there.

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No No he's a good player. I actually like him ALOT but CLouston doesn't seem to be too fond of him so if we aren't even going to play him I at least want something there.
Picard was also hurt for the majority of the time Clouston was coaching IIRC.

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**** no from an Ottawa POV.

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Picard was also hurt for the majority of the time Clouston was coaching IIRC.
He was injured for about two weeks. Then Clouston didn't want to take Bell out for Picard because of how well the team was playing. While some of it had to do with injury, it was mostly Clouston making him a healthy scratch.

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There is a big chunk of Sens fans who really over rate the talent on the team and find a way to knock most talent around the league.

Being a Sens fan, I see this everyday on the board.
ya every fan overrates their own players

also you seem to overrate random players anyways

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