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05-22-2009, 09:30 AM
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Jacques Lemaire?

President and general manager Doug Risebrough was fired last week, and assistant Tom Lynn is acting as GM. Owner Craig Leipold is interviewing candidates for the vacancy, and his hire must then find a new coach to replace Jacques Lemaire.


Playing career
Playing his entire NHL career with the Montreal Canadiens, Lemaire won the Stanley Cup a remarkable eight times 1968, 1969, 1971, 1973, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979. He is one of only six players to have scored two Stanley Cup winning goals, achieving the feat in both 1977 and 1979. (The five other players are Mike Bossy in 1982 and 1983, Bobby Orr in 1970 and 1972, Henri Richard in 1966 and 1971, Jean Bιliveau in 1960 and 1965 and Toe Blake in 1944 and 1946.) A model of consistency, Lemaire scored at least 20 goals in each of his 12 seasons. He retired from the NHL after the 1978–79 season. In 853 career NHL games, he recorded 366 goals and 469 assists for a total of 835 points.

He also won two more Stanley Cups as assistant general manager with Montreal in 1986 and 1993.


Coaching career
After retiring as a player in 1979, Lemaire traveled to Switzerland to begin a career in coaching. Lemaire was head coach of the Canadiens from 1983–1985 and the New Jersey Devils from 1993 to 1998, winning the Stanley Cup in 1995 for 11th time, and the Jack Adams Award in 1994 and 2003. Lemaire was head coach of the Minnesota Wild from June 19, 2000 until April 11, 2009, the first head coach of the organization. [1]

Lemaire is known to be an unorthodox NHL hockey coach for several reasons. First, he plays a defensive-minded hockey system often using a strategy called the neutral zone trap, or a variant of the trap. Second, Lemaire rarely posts permanent lines and is known to shift players up and down lines, often within games. Moreover, unique to NHL teams, the Wild under Lemaire's tenure has never named a permanent team captain, choosing instead to rotate the captaincy between players on a month-to-month basis.

Lemaire is also known to be one of the best coaches for working with and meshing both young players and veterans. He spends much time in evolving young rookies to reach potential and demands adaptation from veterans to perfect his hockey system.

Coaching Career Stats
MTL 1983–84 17 7 10 0 - (75) 4th in Adams Lost in Conf. champ
MTL 1984–85 80 41 27 12 - 94 1st in Adams Lost in second round
NJ 1993–94 84 47 25 12 - 106 2nd in Atlantic Lost in Conf. champ
NJ 1994–95 48 22 18 8 - 52 2nd in Atlantic Won Stanley Cup
NJ 1995–96 82 37 33 12 - 86 6th in Atlantic Missed playoffs
NJ 1996–97 82 45 23 14 - 104 1st in Atlantic Lost in second round
NJ 1997–98 82 48 23 11 - 107 1st in Atlantic Lost in first round
MIN 2000–01 82 25 39 13 5 68 5th in Northwest Missed playoffs
MIN 2001–02 82 26 35 12 9 73 5th in Northwest Missed playoffs
MIN 2002–03 82 42 29 10 1 95 3rd in Northwest Lost in Conf. champ
MIN 2003–04 82 30 29 20 3 83 5th in Northwest Missed playoffs
MIN 2005–06 82 38 36 - 8 84 5th in Northwest Missed playoffs
MIN 2006–07 82 48 26 - 8 104 2nd in Northwest Lost in first round
MIN 2007–08 82 44 28 - 10 98 1st in Northwest Lost in first round
MIN 2008–09 82 40 33 - 9 89 3rd in Northwest Missed playoffs (stepped down at the end of the season)

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Too defensive, no thanks.

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We're not firing John Stevens...

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We're not firing John Stevens...
I know.


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Our team wouldn't do well under Lemaire. Our D core isnt strong enough in our zone and neither are our forwards

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Our team wouldn't do well under Lemaire. Our D core isnt strong enough in our zone and neither are our forwards
While I think our team is better suited to play a more up-tempo style, I do think both groups would improve defensively under Lemaire. They would play a more structured defensive game, and be a far stronger team playing in the neutral zone.

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I think it would work, but it won't happen.

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I think it would work, but it won't happen.
The young players on this team hated playing for Hitch...Lemaire doesn't exactly have a nicer reputation for not aggravating players with his attention to the defensive/technical.

I think they need someone who is more in the middle...thus why I would have really liked someone like Torts if they could have talked him into not bashing players in the media.

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Lemaire's system = the next great Flyers goalie?

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I thought he retired as a coach too?

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While I think our team is better suited to play a more up-tempo style, I do think both groups would improve defensively under Lemaire. They would play a more structured defensive game, and be a far stronger team playing in the neutral zone.
Yeah but there would be growing pains and we would most likely miss the playoffs his first year.

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Yeah but there would be growing pains and we would most likely miss the playoffs his first year.
I doubt that very much...you're talking about a good coach who has won with far less talent than we have here. There would be growing pains, but by about the midseason point (assuming they bought in) they'd be a very tough team to play against. However, we would (theoretically) remain a very strong PP team, and you pair that with better defense and skill to score at even strength...good team.

Whether that would translate into a Cup...who the hell knows, there's a lot of luck that goes into that. I also think we can be a better team and therefore have a better chance at a Cup playing a more structured up-tempo game than we are currently seeing.

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I doubt that very much...you're talking about a good coach who has won with far less talent than we have here. There would be growing pains, but by about the midseason point (assuming they bought in) they'd be a very tough team to play against. However, we would (theoretically) remain a very strong PP team, and you pair that with better defense and skill to score at even strength...good team.

Whether that would translate into a Cup...who the hell knows, there's a lot of luck that goes into that. I also think we can be a better team and therefore have a better chance at a Cup playing a more structured up-tempo game than we are currently seeing.
Agreed. If any word can describe the Flyers style of play, it's sloppy.

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Someone already said this but.... Homer likes Stevens. Stevens isnt going anywhere.

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Someone already said this but.... Homer likes Stevens. Stevens isnt going anywhere.
So? Maybe Holmgrem gets fired soon.

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Our team wouldn't do well under Lemaire. Our D core isnt strong enough in our zone and neither are our forwards
I think you are wrong. With two way players like Richards, Carter, Gagne, Hartnell, Giroux as well as Timonen and Coburn?

You do not think we would do well?

Teaching this team to play good D against Crosby and Malkin is crucial. Stevens can not do it. I do not think he can.


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I'd take anyone over Stevens. But we're stuck with him forever and ever.

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So? Maybe Holmgrem gets fired soon.
Meh, Homer doesnt do a bad job, he did take us into salary cap hell, with some other "trade" problems, but overall doesnt do bad. That being said, Stevens is a joke, yet he gets put with a pretty good and does a ****** job coaching. I really think with a better coach we could be a better team.

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The young players on this team hated playing for Hitch...Lemaire doesn't exactly have a nicer reputation for not aggravating players with his attention to the defensive/technical.

I think they need someone who is more in the middle...thus why I would have really liked someone like Torts if they could have talked him into not bashing players in the media.
The only player Torts really bashed was John Grahame. And let's face it, John Grahame's performance in Tampa Bay was horrid. As for Torts calling out Lecavalier, he was absolutely right on that. I still remember Torts' quote about that "why is it that we pay someone a lot of money and when they aren't playing well, we can't question them on it or call them out on their play?" I agree with that 100%. After all, this is a franchise that has seen numerous players throw their coaches under a bus. Maybe having a coach who isn't afraid to call out a player in public might just be exactly what they need......

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It's a shame that it will never happen, because Lemaire is the best coach in the NHL and i would love to see my team coached with the purpose to win, not to see how many goals we can score

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The young players on this team hated playing for Hitch...Lemaire doesn't exactly have a nicer reputation for not aggravating players with his attention to the defensive/technical.

I think they need someone who is more in the middle...thus why I would have really liked someone like Torts if they could have talked him into not bashing players in the media.
The core of the team is (theoretically) more mature than when they rejected Hitch. If the Flyers brought in Lemaire and the players rejected his message from the start, it would say a lot more about the character of the players than the ability of Lemaire to motivate a hockey team. A defense first system is exactly what this group needs.

Stevens' job is secure in the short term, though, as you said above. Barring a drawn out poor start or a late season collapse and missing the playoffs, Stevens will be back for 10/11.

Edit: Come to think of it, the only 'young' guys left from the Hitch era are Carter and Richards.


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I think this team's structure and present "strategy" would give Lemaire a heart attack. I doubt he'd want anything to do in Philly, Hitchcock was chased outta town by the players (mostly)

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The only player Torts really bashed was John Grahame. And let's face it, John Grahame's performance in Tampa Bay was horrid. As for Torts calling out Lecavalier, he was absolutely right on that. I still remember Torts' quote about that "why is it that we pay someone a lot of money and when they aren't playing well, we can't question them on it or call them out on their play?" I agree with that 100%. After all, this is a franchise that has seen numerous players throw their coaches under a bus. Maybe having a coach who isn't afraid to call out a player in public might just be exactly what they need......
He ripped both goalies in the media...and the point isn't whether what he said is accurate or not, it's that I don't believe that is how you should go about things. I've ripped Stevens for doing the same exact thing with players like Downie and Upshall. Shredding a guy through the media because you have a press conference after every game is not the way it should be done...especially when you don't have another option really (as was the case with the TB goalies in the playoffs...telling them suck isn't exactly productive or smart).

Do it internally.

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The young players on this team hated playing for Hitch...Lemaire doesn't exactly have a nicer reputation for not aggravating players with his attention to the defensive/technical.

I think they need someone who is more in the middle...thus why I would have really liked someone like Torts if they could have talked him into not bashing players in the media.
The other problem is his old-NHL style of coaching, he castrated what little offense the Wild usually had because he had to have his match ups.

However, if you look at some guys around the league, some of them have had their best offensive years under Lemaire.

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The other problem is his old-NHL style of coaching, he castrated what little offense the Wild usually had because he had to have his match ups.

However, if you look at some guys around the league, some of them have had their best offensive years under Lemaire.
His style of play not leading to offense is one of the worst non-truths that has existed in the NHL discourse for some time. The really good Devils teams were REALLY good offensive teams...not just defensive teams.

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