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05-23-2009, 03:12 PM
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Steve Ott

Tom Gilbert

The Stars defense is a bit weak right now and could use an upgrade, Zubov is injury prone and getting older so they could be looking for a player like Gilbert, Edmonton needs to get bigger and meaner, Steve Ott can bring that and his stats were pretty good this season that he may be the type of 1st line forward that Edmonton needs.

I think fellow Oilers fans will say that we are giving a bit much but that's really what it would probably take to get Ott out of Dallas.

What do you think?

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05-23-2009, 03:17 PM
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Dallas has 7 D-men for next year and when Zubov signs they will have 8. Plus we have Ivan vishnevskiy waiting in the wings to step up. Ott showed last year that he can score and he is a big part of the team. I doubt Dallas moves him unless he was in a package for a top paring D man of top 6 forward.

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Dallas has 7 D-men for next year and when Zubov signs they will have 8. Plus we have Ivan vishnevskiy waiting in the wings to step up. Ott showed last year that he can score and he is a big part of the team. I doubt Dallas moves him unless he was in a package for a top paring D man of top 6 forward.
Gilbert's not a top pairing D?

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Gilbert's not a top pairing D?
in edmonton he is

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Gilbert's not a top pairing D?
No, he's not. I know Oiler fans love this guy, but one good season does not make you a top-pairing D.

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No, he's not. I know Oiler fans love this guy, but one good season does not make you a top-pairing D.
Name me a couple players who after 1 good season at the age of 25 who now are considered top pairing D? I know there's a few. And Gilbert had top pairing points while playing on 2nd pairing minutes. He is not a 1st pairing D on the Oilers for the person ^ that said that...

Th way Gilbert has been progressing there is a good chance he keeps his touch.

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No, he's not. I know Oiler fans love this guy, but one good season does not make you a top-pairing D.
2 good seasons. A lot of Oiler fans will argue that he was actually better last season.

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Name me a couple players who after 1 good season at the age of 25 who now are considered top pairing D? I know there's a few. And Gilbert had top pairing points while playing on 2nd pairing minutes. He is not a 1st pairing D on the Oilers for the person ^ that said that...

Th way Gilbert has been progressing there is a good chance he keeps his touch.
That argument doesn't work. Sure there are a few who are now top-pairing guys, and probably a ton who were busts. Only time will tell with Gilbert, but it is way to soon to call him top pairing.

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2 good seasons. A lot of Oiler fans will argue that he was actually better last season.
Only in the defensive end..

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That argument doesn't work. Sure there are a few who are now top-pairing guys, and probably a ton who were busts. Only time will tell with Gilbert, but it is way to soon to call him top pairing.
ok let's put it this way. Who on Dallas other than Zubov would take Gilbert on for the top pairing?

Niskanen does not beat Gilbert right now.

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Gilbert is a #3, and he's no better than guys like Niskanen and Daley. So I don't see why Dallas would give up Ott. If Ott were part of a deal, it would be for a legit #1 who could compliment Robidas.

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Gilbert is a #3, and he's no better than guys like Niskanen and Daley. So I don't see why Dallas would give up Ott. If Ott were part of a deal, it would be for a legit #1 who could compliment Robidas.
Yea Gilbert's a #3 on the Oilers Behind Visnovsky and Souray.

And please support your comment on how Niskanen and Daley are better than Gilbert?

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Gilbert is a #3, and he's no better than guys like Niskanen and Daley. So I don't see why Dallas would give up Ott. If Ott were part of a deal, it would be for a legit #1 who could compliment Robidas.
I'm not a huge fan of judging players on stats alone, but I gotta throw these numbers out there...

Niskanen

07-08: 78 GP - 26 PTS - plus 22
08-09: 80 GP - 35 PTS - minus 11

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07-08: 82 GP - 33 PTS - minus 6
08-09: 82 GP - 45 PTS - plus 6

What intangibles does Niskanen have that make him so much better than Gilbert? From what I've seen they are both positional defense men who aren't overly physical, but Gilbert seems to be much more superior offensively.

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From the oilers perspective we say no, for one big reason

Ott is a UFA after this next season and will be looking for a raise and will look around

oilers are not going to trade a d-man signed for 5 more years

Deal does not work from the oiler perspective

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I would take Gilbert over Niskanen and Daley any day.

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This would be a good trade for both sides, but since it is that means it'll never happen.

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I'm not a huge fan of judging players on stats alone, but I gotta throw these numbers out there...

Niskanen

07-08: 78 GP - 26 PTS - plus 22
08-09: 80 GP - 35 PTS - minus 11

Gilbert

07-08: 82 GP - 33 PTS - minus 6
08-09: 82 GP - 45 PTS - plus 6

What intangibles does Niskanen have that make him so much better than Gilbert? From what I've seen they are both positional defense men who aren't overly physical, but Gilbert seems to be much more superior offensively.
Difference in age, and Niskanen isn't signed yet.

When did I say Niskanen was better? I didn't. I said Gilbert was no better than him, which is true. All three mentioned players are solid #3-#4 defensemen.

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Gilbert is a #3, and he's no better than guys like Niskanen and Daley. So I don't see why Dallas would give up Ott. If Ott were part of a deal, it would be for a legit #1 who could compliment Robidas.
Well If you say so, but I would tend to say that Ott would not get you a legit number one d-man. There are few of those and they go for big packages when they do move.

This deal make sense value wise, but does not deal with the positional needs of the stars.

They currently have a few d-men that could fill the role that Gilbert would. I would love to see Ott in Edm though, he is an absolute pain to play against and would fit in nicely.

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Well If you say so, but I would tend to say that Ott would not get you a legit number one d-man. There are few of those and they go for big packages when they do move.

This deal make sense value wise, but does not deal with the positional needs of the stars.

They currently have a few d-men that could fill the role that Gilbert would. I would love to see Ott in Edm though, he is an absolute pain to play against and would fit in nicely.
I don't think Ott alone would, but I'm saying if Dallas felt inclined to trade him, it would be for a #1 defenseman.

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Difference in age, and Niskanen isn't signed yet.

When did I say Niskanen was better? I didn't. I said Gilbert was no better than him, which is true. All three mentioned players are solid #3-#4 defensemen.
I guess that is why we disagree, because I believe that Gilbert is better than Niskanen.

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I think Edmonton is kind of getting ripped off in this trade. Gilbert is a solid number 3 or so with good upside. Steve Ott is a guy whos biggest attribute is being a pest. Personally im not sold that his career high last season wasn't a fluke. I could very easily see his production cut in half.

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I don't think Ott alone would, but I'm saying if Dallas felt inclined to trade him, it would be for a #1 defenseman.
How in the hell can you get a legit number one for a agitating winger? If dallas is looking to get that much for a guy like Ott they sure as hell arent going to find a trading partner.

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I guess that is why we disagree, because I believe that Gilbert is better than Niskanen.
I believe he is right now, but at the end of the day they're similar players and Niskanen hasn't been paid yet.

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I can't believe it hasn't been said yet but the Oilers and their fans would never take on a player that play's a pest role and throws questionable hits with bad intentions.

The Oilers are above that.

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How in the hell can you get a legit number one for a agitating winger? If dallas is looking to get that much for a guy like Ott they sure as hell aren't going to find a trading partner.
This is a case where he is letting his homer instincts clash with reality.

If a number one were to come available such as Weber, Jaybo or Phaneuf then Ott could be part of the package, but he would not be the most valuable part.

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