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09-30-2004, 05:16 PM
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Smash The Nhlpa

the players had a legitimate grievance in the 1960s...

now theyre all millionaires...and it makes real people want to puke their guts out...

theyre all no better than whining rich arseholes now

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09-30-2004, 10:37 PM
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Very intelligent post. Good thing you made a new thread for it.

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I often wonder what the poster expects the response to be when they post messages like this. Are they hoping for a chorus of enthusiastic postive voices championing the poster to put more reflection on here? Are they hoping that we can all be fascist-like drones ala Fight Club and repeat the words over in some form of Mantra as we head off to Toronto and bomb NHLPA HQ?

I guess the world will never know.

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This is a stupid post. Truly it is.

The NHLPA was and still is needed to control the greed of the owners. The players are not being greedy in all this.

They just don't want to lose what they have. Would you?

They are going to have to accept a cap, and break down in this conflict. But it doesn't mean they are greedy.

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10-01-2004, 10:14 AM
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Its all the Rangers and Leafs fault for offering Holik what they offered him

9 ******* million for a checking line center

That's why the word IMPASSE should become a very known word on these boards...because I'm already starting the countdown to it.

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10-01-2004, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Seven_Nation_Army
Its all the Rangers and Leafs fault for offering Holik what they offered him

9 ******* million for a checking line center

That's why the word IMPASSE should become a very known word on these boards...because I'm already starting the countdown to it.
That's exactly right. The NHL has a good case for having the impasse approved due to the fact that two MAJOR leagues already impose a cap and have done A-Okay with it.

I think the NHL has no other choice. The PA keeps saying they don't have a negotiating partner but the league doesn't have one either simply because neither of them wish to begin a dialogue about the points they are both willing to accept.

Also, the NHL has the research on their side to support their end of it. They have the Levitt report - which is an iron horse - and have offered on two occasions to have Levitt personally go over it and answer any questions with the NHLPA. Both times they refused.

If anything, the league has done a lot to make the NHLPA aware of their position and the PA's simple answer has always come down to "we don't trust your numbers" and "we won't accept a cap." There's no real hard data there. If they don't accept the numbers - tell us why.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when either of the two sides tries to open up a dialogue again with each other. If nothing comes of anything by around Christmas I don't see any reason why the league shouldn't pursue an impasse. They can prove they've tried to find a reasonable means through negotiation and been refused time and time again by an "unreasonable negotiating partner". If approved they can start the league again and the players can either accept or strike.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.

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This is a stupid post. Truly it is.

The NHLPA was and still is needed to control the greed of the owners. The players are not being greedy in all this.

They just don't want to lose what they have. Would you?

They are going to have to accept a cap, and break down in this conflict. But it doesn't mean they are greedy.


They're all greedy

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10-01-2004, 01:11 PM
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$90 million for Alexei Yashin

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$90 million for Alexei Yashin
That isn't all bad since at that time, Yashin was a proven star who had top 10 talent in the NHL and was arguably a top 5 forward at the time. 10 million dollar for a established star at the height of the last CBA was quite common as we saw Tkachuk rake in 10, Jagr make 11, Forsberg 10, Sakic 10, Leclair 9, Kariya 10, Sundin 9, Weight 7.5, Roenick 7.5, Lindros 8.5, etc....

But Holik, a checking center at best, though you can argue that he is a proven winner and perhaps the best 3rd liner in the league, should not be paid 9 million dollars a year. That smashed the floodgates and signaled what was wrong with the CBA. When 3rd liners can potentially earn upwards of 9 million dollars per year....

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That's exactly right. The NHL has a good case for having the impasse approved due to the fact that two MAJOR leagues already impose a cap and have done A-Okay with it.
Who is the 2nd major league with a cap?

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10-01-2004, 03:31 PM
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Who is the 2nd major league with a cap?
NBA and NFL

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NBA and NFL
NBA doesn't have a hard cap.

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2 leagues with cap MLB and NFL

edit: in MLB the cap is set so high that only 1 team is ever over the cap...the yankees

if you go back through threads you can find the basic dealings of the nfl cap

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2 leagues with cap MLB and NFL

edit: in MLB the cap is set so high that only 1 team is ever over the cap...the yankees

if you go back through threads you can find the basic dealings of the nfl cap
I don't want to get into a semantical argument, but the only major league with anything close to what the NHl wants is the NFL. And for reason's I've already covered, its totally irrational to compare the two leagues from a financial standpoint.

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i love the way how lames can argue for guys who make 10 million bucks a season...

while they head off to their $2.00 an hour jobs

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i love the way how lames can argue for guys who make 10 million bucks a season...

while they head off to their $2.00 an hour jobs

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:lol

Hunter - you are becoming hilarious. I can't take you seriously anymore.

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I suppose playing for a sport that deals ALOT of physical punishment and the chance of early retirement doesnt warent the big bucks.

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I suppose playing for a sport that deals ALOT of physical punishment and the chance of early retirement doesnt warent the big bucks.
Tell that to the thousands who serve in the armed forces or police.

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i love the way how lames can argue for guys who are worth hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars...

while they head off to their $2.00 an hour jobs

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Yashin ...But Holik, a checking center at best, though you can argue that he is a proven winner and perhaps the best 3rd liner in the league, should not be paid 9 million dollars a year. That smashed the floodgates and signaled what was wrong with the CBA. When 3rd liners can potentially earn upwards of 9 million dollars per year....
1) Holik >>>>> Yashin. I dont care if AY has more skill, you win NOTHING with players like Yashin. Holik is a proven winner.

2) Name one contract that has been influenced by Holik's.

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i love the way how lames can argue for guys who make 10 million bucks a season...

while they head off to their $2.00 an hour jobs

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and when thousands of people spend a few billion dollars a year to watch you do you do your work, you will be able to command millions as well.

and i think less than 10 guys make over 10m, stop with the cliches.

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2) Name one contract that has been influenced by Holik's.

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I can name a slew of contracts that influenced Holik's.

1). Bruins signing Martin Lapointe. This signing was a clear "owner over paying to try and prove a point to another owner."

2). Canucks Signing Mark Messier. Clearly again an over payment for a player well past his prime.

3). The Rangers signing Joe Sakic. Remember? they signed him and the Avs had no choice but to match.

The point is DR, Holik's signing was the straw that broke the camel's back. The NHL and 24 other teams had had enough of the spending habits of the big boys.

6 teams in a 30 team league should not determine market value. The entire 30 team league should determine the value of the players, much like the NFL does, with no guaranteed contracts, should the player not be able to perform. That is what a signing bonus is for.

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I can name a slew of contracts that influenced Holik's.
Yes, but that's not what he asked... He asked for 1 contract that has been influenced by Holik's, not 1 contract that influenced Holik's... Big difference...

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