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I'm sorry, how is this a goal?

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05-27-2009, 02:38 PM
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I'm sorry, how is this a goal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U7a_38K_UQ

Overlook the fact that this is the sickest wrist shot you've ever seen. How is a shot like this considered a goal? The puck clearly hits the crossbar and does not cross the line. I've seen it happen in the NHL several times, hell I've scored goals myself were it just hits the underside of the crossbar like that.

Please can someone explain this to me?

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05-27-2009, 02:51 PM
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At the speed it's going, everyone just thinks it went in and out extremely fast.

I have never scored one like that, but my team has had one like that go in. It really pissed me off as I was on the ice chasing the guy and the ref was behind me, but to the side of course and I clearly saw it go off the crossbar. So, I shot the puck up to a teammate as I thought the play would continue. The ref called it a goal, so I smacked my stick on the crossbar and said "Sounds kinda familiar to that goal, don't ya think ?" He just skated away... *******.

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05-27-2009, 03:17 PM
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Not everyone has the ability to view the play over in slow motion from 4 or 5 different angles.

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Not everyone has the ability to view the play over in slow motion from 4 or 5 different angles.
We saw the same angles the the television broadcasters saw and I'm assuming the same angles shown on the arena scoreboard. I remember watching this game with an English speaking broadcaster and he didn't say anything about the fact that it just hit the crossbar.

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It the ref says it's in, then it's in.

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i've had it happen a handful of times... crossbar and straight down ONTO the goal line and covered... the ref supposedly saw it cross the goal line..... from his vantage point at the blue line. idiot.


but yes, i believe its the ref's discretion to use replay, altough i'm not sure about international rules.

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05-28-2009, 05:19 AM
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It also looks a bit like it hit the bar on the inside of the net, but of course the grainy YouTube footage doesn't help.

Semin's shot came from the goalie's stick side, beat him to the glove side, and then bounced back towards the stick side hitting the ice near the goalie's right leg pad.

If the shot had simply hit the crossbar, the angle and trajectory of the shot should have made the puck bounce further towards the open glove side of the goaltender. From Semin's viewpoint on the left side of the goal, a shot that hits the crossbar flush should have ricocheted to his right, not bounced even more sharply to the left.

The only logical physical explanation I could come up with is that the puck hit the curved bar of the goal frame on the inside of the top shelf of the net. The angle of THAT bar would have made the puck bounce back the way it did, and of course we've all seen shots that hit that bar and went in and out so fast it looked like it hit only the crossbar.

Of course, there are only two things that conclusively matter here:

1) The overhead camera angle......which we don't have.
2) The ref on the ice (along with whatever video review system they have) deemed it a good goal. All the players stopped skating, the goalie looked resigned, Semin celebrated, and the refs allowed it. As a goalie myself, I can recount a number of goals that hit posts that were counted as goals because the ref was out of position and simply blew the call. But since the ref's call is what counts.....it's a goal.

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05-28-2009, 06:36 AM
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We saw the same angles the the television broadcasters saw and I'm assuming the same angles shown on the arena scoreboard. I remember watching this game with an English speaking broadcaster and he didn't say anything about the fact that it just hit the crossbar.
That's fine, but I was actually refering to the refs. Anybody else that deems it a goal is of no consequence.

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This video has a little better quality.



Make sure you put it in high quality.

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That goal didnt go in. I guess they dont have video replay.

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05-28-2009, 12:24 PM
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It also looks a bit like it hit the bar on the inside of the net, but of course the grainy YouTube footage doesn't help.

Semin's shot came from the goalie's stick side, beat him to the glove side, and then bounced back towards the stick side hitting the ice near the goalie's right leg pad.

If the shot had simply hit the crossbar, the angle and trajectory of the shot should have made the puck bounce further towards the open glove side of the goaltender. From Semin's viewpoint on the left side of the goal, a shot that hits the crossbar flush should have ricocheted to his right, not bounced even more sharply to the left.

The only logical physical explanation I could come up with is that the puck hit the curved bar of the goal frame on the inside of the top shelf of the net. The angle of THAT bar would have made the puck bounce back the way it did, and of course we've all seen shots that hit that bar and went in and out so fast it looked like it hit only the crossbar.

Of course, there are only two things that conclusively matter here:

1) The overhead camera angle......which we don't have.
2) The ref on the ice (along with whatever video review system they have) deemed it a good goal. All the players stopped skating, the goalie looked resigned, Semin celebrated, and the refs allowed it. As a goalie myself, I can recount a number of goals that hit posts that were counted as goals because the ref was out of position and simply blew the call. But since the ref's call is what counts.....it's a goal.
I took a shot in my game last night coming down the left wing that hit the left post with a solid thud and ricocheted into the goalies back and some how bounced off his back and over the net... it's hockey, weird ass bounces that shouldn't happen for some reason always find a way to happen.

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With the score already at 4-0, I have the feeling that it didn't change the outcome of the game much.

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shoulda went to Toronto

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Not everyone has the ability to view the play over in slow motion from 4 or 5 different angles.
There have been times I didn't know if I scored or not ... things happen quickly I guess and people are only human.


... like the crappy ref we had last week who called me for tripping when the guy fell a foot in front of me after he toe picked himself. I got robbed of a breakaway cuzz of it.

If the ref says it is a penalty it is a penalty and if he says it is a goal .... it is a goal

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There have been times I didn't know if I scored or not ... things happen quickly I guess and people are only human.
That is something that can be used against the ref. You can always get a goal call based on celebration. Just act like it went in if the ref is out of position for the game

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05-29-2009, 03:30 PM
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This is nowhere close to the goal the Flames scored against the Rangers about 8 or so years ago. The puck clearly hits the crossbar and deflects into the ****ing glass, and the refs call it a goal. Then there's a video review, and they keep it as a goal.

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I don't think everyone can see it, but that is a goal. On the second video you can even see the netting shake from the shot.

Crossbar = illusion

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There have been times I didn't know if I scored or not ... things happen quickly I guess and people are only human.


... like the crappy ref we had last week who called me for tripping when the guy fell a foot in front of me after he toe picked himself. I got robbed of a breakaway cuzz of it.

If the ref says it is a penalty it is a penalty and if he says it is a goal .... it is a goal
Speaking of refs robbing breakaways, last week I had a game and was covering their man at the point. He goes to take a slap shot and breaks his stick without moving the puck an inch so I steal it and have a clear cut breakaway but after 2 strides I hear the whistle blow followed by "sorry, im an idiot." Turns out the ref had thought the guys broken stick was the puck and when it flew off and hit the roof he blew the play dead, just my luck.

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Speaking of refs robbing breakaways, last week I had a game and was covering their man at the point. He goes to take a slap shot and breaks his stick without moving the puck an inch so I steal it and have a clear cut breakaway but after 2 strides I hear the whistle blow followed by "sorry, im an idiot." Turns out the ref had thought the guys broken stick was the puck and when it flew off and hit the roof he blew the play dead, just my luck.
That's brutal

it reminds of why a goalie doesn't want to have a black knob on his stick. For the most part the black tape for a goalie knob is banned for that reason.

Hey as you saw optical illusions happen when things happen quickly.

There was an NHL game in 70s that someone through a photographers lens cap on the ice and it went in the net and it was called a goal during a scrum at the crease.

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Hooray for crappy YouTube video quality.


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