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05-29-2009, 10:25 AM
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Wasn't that what Jamal Mayers was supposed to be? If you talk to NJ fans, they haven't been too impressed with his play lately. They would love to get rid of that contract for free, let alone getting a decent young player in return. I don't really like Stajan, but there's no need to waste assets like that.
would you do stajan for zubrus and a 2nd in 09

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05-29-2009, 10:26 AM
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After having read the comments in this thread, I thought I'd give this proposal thing a whirl. So, to both Devils and Leafs fans, how do you feel about the following:

To NJD:
D Tomas Kaberle
RW Matt Frattin OR C Chad Rau

To TML:
NJD 1st '09
NJD 2nd '09
D Tyler Eckford OR RW Nick Palmieri
RW Dainius Zubrus

Thoughts? If it's lop-sided in either direction, please make a suggestion on how to make it fair.

EDIT: I've added in player positions for more clarity as to what each side would be getting and have added in the option of Chad Rau on the Leaf side of the ledger.
This is the proposal you were talking about, right euca? Yeah, thats reasonable, assuming Devils fans don't put much/any value on Zubrus. I don't really see Frattin or Rau having any value to NJ, so it might make sense to either add Stajan and improve the prospect coming back or add Mayers to the deal. I think Kaberle would be a great fit in NJ.

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05-29-2009, 10:27 AM
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would you do stajan for zubrus and a 2nd in 09
Yeah, that seems fair. Stajan would be a good fit in NJ. Zubrus can play wing, right?

Edit: Wait, Zubrus is signed for the next four years? Probably won't happen then, Burke said he isn't taking on long-term contracts. If he was only signed next year I'd do the deal. As it stands, if you wanted to dump salary, it'd have to be somebody else.

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05-29-2009, 10:38 AM
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yea your original proposal wasnt too bad the only thing is that if we're giving up a 1st and a 2nd then I'd probably wanna shed some more salary by adding pandolfo
I'm not terribly opposed to the idea of taking Pandolfo. How about the following:

To NJD:
D Tomas Kaberle
C Matt Stajan

To TML:
NJD 1st '09
NJD 2nd '09
D Tyler Eckford OR RW Nick Palmieri
RW Dainius Zubrus
C Jay Pandolfo

TML: would receive the the requisite picks and prospect to help their re-build while gaining two experienced forwards to help teach the younger plsyers and provide stability/leadership for the Leafs.

NJD: would receive the puck-moving defenseman and young 2nd/3rd line center they so badly need.

In this proposal, the cap-hits are roughly the same.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

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05-29-2009, 10:44 AM
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This is the proposal you were talking about, right euca? Yeah, thats reasonable, assuming Devils fans don't put much/any value on Zubrus. I don't really see Frattin or Rau having any value to NJ, so it might make sense to either add Stajan and improve the prospect coming back or add Mayers to the deal. I think Kaberle would be a great fit in NJ.
Yes, it is. Thank you for your insight.

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05-29-2009, 10:52 AM
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Yeah, that seems fair. Stajan would be a good fit in NJ. Zubrus can play wing, right?

Edit: Wait, Zubrus is signed for the next four years? Probably won't happen then, Burke said he isn't taking on long-term contracts. If he was only signed next year I'd do the deal. As it stands, if you wanted to dump salary, it'd have to be somebody else.
Zubrus plays RW, at least that's what his player bio says. While his contract is for, at least, the next 4 years, the cap-hit isn't all that bad @ $3.4M. When Burke said he wouldn't take on long-term contracts, I think he meant albatross-like contracts such as Redden, Drury, Gomez, etc. Also, don't forget that Zubrus is only 30-ish y/o and has a lot left to give a team.

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05-29-2009, 10:55 AM
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Anyone who wants Pandawful is outta their minds, especially for stajan..holy hell.

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Anyone who wants Pandawful is outta their minds, especially for stajan..holy hell.
I tried not to flame when I replied, but yeah, agreed.

Euca, so far as Zubrus goes, that is a tough contract, particularly since we already have Finger and Hagman locked up at similar cap hits. I wouldn't touch that deal with ten foot pole right now, although I do have a soft spot for Zubrus ever since I saw him play in junior. I don't think there's any chance Burke takes him back in a deal.

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I tried not to flame when I replied, but yeah, agreed.

Euca, so far as Zubrus goes, that is a tough contract, particularly since we already have Finger and Hagman locked up at similar cap hits. I wouldn't touch that deal with ten foot pole right now, although I do have a soft spot for Zubrus ever since I saw him play in junior. I don't think there's any chance Burke takes him back in a deal.
I suppose you're right about Zubrus. Ahh well.... at least I gave it a shot.

EDIT: Thanks for not flaming. It's greatly appreciated.

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Anyone who wants Pandawful is outta their minds, especially for stajan..holy hell.
Just out of curiosity, since I don't get to see many Devils games, what's wrong with Pandolfo?

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EDIT: Thanks for not flaming. It's greatly appreciated.
Well, it was mojo who suggested Stajan for Pandolfo, not you. Maybe it wasn't clear the way I posted that.

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Just out of curiosity, since I don't get to see many Devils games, what's wrong with Pandolfo?
I don't know what happened from a yr ago but Pandolfo went completely to ****. Part of the reason we have being giving him grief is mostly sutters fault by playing him and madden far to much in the canes series. Add that with a 10 point regular season and a -12 on one of the best defensive teams in the east....yeah.

If the Devils don't re-sign madden ( personally i believe john will go west ) Pando becomes completely and utterly useless.

And I like Pando.

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Well, it was mojo who suggested Stajan for Pandolfo, not you. Maybe it wasn't clear the way I posted that.
That's okay. I'm just happy that I wasn't "flamed by association".

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I don't know what happened from a yr ago but Pandolfo went completely to ****. Part of the reason we have being giving him grief is mostly sutters fault by playing him and madden far to much in the canes series. Add that with a 10 point regular season and a -12 on one of the best defensive teams in the east....yeah.

If the Devils don't re-sign madden ( personally i believe john will go west ) Pando becomes completely and utterly useless.

And I like Pando.
Ouch...! Any chance that Pandolfo might bounce back if he gets a change of scenery?

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I'm not terribly opposed to the idea of taking Pandolfo. How about the following:

To NJD:
D Tomas Kaberle
C Matt Stajan

To TML:
NJD 1st '09
NJD 2nd '09
D Tyler Eckford OR RW Nick Palmieri
RW Dainius Zubrus
C Jay Pandolfo

TML: would receive the the requisite picks and prospect to help their re-build while gaining two experienced forwards to help teach the younger plsyers and provide stability/leadership for the Leafs.

NJD: would receive the puck-moving defenseman and young 2nd/3rd line center they so badly need.

In this proposal, the cap-hits are roughly the same.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

Where do I sign haha

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Ouch...! Any chance that Pandolfo might bounce back if he gets a change of scenery?
Pandolfo loves NJ so I dout it.

Plus im almost positive he has a NMC


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I'm not terribly opposed to the idea of taking Pandolfo. How about the following:

To NJD:
D Tomas Kaberle
C Matt Stajan

To TML:
NJD 1st '09
NJD 2nd '09
D Tyler Eckford OR RW Nick Palmieri
RW Dainius Zubrus
C Jay Pandolfo

TML: would receive the the requisite picks and prospect to help their re-build while gaining two experienced forwards to help teach the younger plsyers and provide stability/leadership for the Leafs.

NJD: would receive the puck-moving defenseman and young 2nd/3rd line center they so badly need.

In this proposal, the cap-hits are roughly the same.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

Awful deal for the Leafs. What do we get out of it? A 1st? We give up the best player in the deal, arguably the 2nd best in the deal, we dont clear any salary. What would be the point of this trade? Just to get NJ's picks? Picks arent worth that much.

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Pandolfo loves NJ so I dout it.

Plus im almost positive he has a NMC
Ahh... oh well... it doesn't hurt to ask about these things.

Thanks for the info.

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Ahh... oh well... it doesn't hurt to ask about these things.

Thanks for the info.

BUUUUUUUUUUUT if you sign Madden, maybe Pando would like to join him?
HOPEFULLY?

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I'm not terribly opposed to the idea of taking Pandolfo. How about the following:

To NJD:
D Tomas Kaberle
C Matt Stajan

To TML:
NJD 1st '09
NJD 2nd '09
D Tyler Eckford OR RW Nick Palmieri
RW Dainius Zubrus
C Jay Pandolfo

TML: would receive the the requisite picks and prospect to help their re-build while gaining two experienced forwards to help teach the younger plsyers and provide stability/leadership for the Leafs.

NJD: would receive the puck-moving defenseman and young 2nd/3rd line center they so badly need.

In this proposal, the cap-hits are roughly the same.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
this is perfect for NJ but not so great for Toronto, no way burke does this

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Awful deal for the Leafs. What do we get out of it? A 1st? We give up the best player in the deal, arguably the 2nd best in the deal, we dont clear any salary. What would be the point of this trade? Just to get NJ's picks? Picks arent worth that much.
Perhaps to you they aren't, but to others they are.

As previously stated, the Leafs would get picks and a prospect to help re-stock their prospect pool. Said picks could also then be combined with other Leaf picks to move up in the draft to secure a higher 1st rndr, thus increasing the chance of getting a better prospect to add to their pool.

Also, the Leafs would gain 2 veteran forwards who could help provide leadership to a team that doesn't really have any IMO (at least not much that is easily noticeable).

Sure... the Leafs would be giving up Kaberle and Stajan now. But in the long run, the Leafs would likely be a much better team with the potential to be a Stanley Cup contender.

If that's not good enough for you, then I don't know what is.

Btw... the Leafs don't NEED to clear salary, although they probably will anyway.

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this is perfect for NJ but not so great for Toronto, no way burke does this
Well then... please suggest an alternative. I'm all ears/eyes.

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Why would NJ put any sort of value on Matt Frattin? If they need another center they don't want a prospect who may or may not even play in the NHL.


How about this:

To NJ:
Tomas Kaberle
Matt Stajan

To TOR:
1st Round 2009
Patrice Cormier
Jay Pandolfo
So then it would be a non issue. I don't see the devils saying no to a trade because a prospect is going their way that doesn't deal with an immediate need. They address one need with one trade and deal with the other in a seperate deal or in FA. The reason I like him is that he's definately under the radar and is a real boom or bust kind of thing.

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To NJ:
Tomas Kaberle
Matt Stajan

To TOR:
1st Round 2009
Patrice Cormier
Jay Pandolfo
I would do it. That would be rough on our prospect pool though...

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I would do it. That would be rough on our prospect pool though...
yea but i mean we do get an elite puck mover and a young center who has the potential to be a 60-70 point player...then again I wouldnt mind substituting henrique for cormier and maybe adding a 3rd rounder...and we'd for sure have to get rid of either zubrus or salvador to make cap room, not in that trade though seperately

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