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The Official "Danny Boy" Thread

View Poll Results: What do you wish?
I hope he remains a Flyer, despite his contract. 59 55.66%
I hope Holmgren trades him ASAP. 47 44.34%
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05-30-2009, 05:55 PM
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It's actually not even close. It's money in hand which you can put in some interest bearing account.
Or into the stock market, where half of it will disappear . I've actually been wondering if these guys have lost a big chunk of money in that and might be kicking themselves for taking the front loaded deals. Hindsight is 20/20 obviously, but the frontloaded deals may have hurt some of these guys.

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I'd like to see him traded. The idea of having three great offensive lines is exciting and it separates us from the rest of the league. I don't see us winning because of it though. In a cap world you can't spend that much on offense because you'll neglect your defense and goaltending and you can't win doing that.

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05-30-2009, 11:08 PM
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I'd like to see him traded. The idea that we could be spending that 6.5 on a stud defenseman or a goaltender boggles my mind.

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He deserved a raise, he came to a loser and made them contenders now we should cut him loose? Did he complain once about playing on the third line or being 3rd on the depth chart? the only complaint was not being able to play due to injuries. Anyone think he'll be amazing next year? what if he lights it up and becomes the top line center (alot of what ifs). The potential is there, he's hopefully playing with giroux who i think best suits his play style.
On a side note, would it be so bad to let the d we have mature (sbisa, parent, bourdon, that russian ect) what if we took our lumps the next year or two then go for it? hopefully with a goalie by then.

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I'd like to see him traded. The idea that we could be spending that 6.5 on a stud defenseman or a goaltender boggles my mind.
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I'd like to see him traded. The idea of having three great offensive lines is exciting and it separates us from the rest of the league. I don't see us winning because of it though. In a cap world you can't spend that much on offense because you'll neglect your defense and goaltending and you can't win doing that.

What they said.

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I'd like to see him traded. The idea that we could be spending that 6.5 on a stud defenseman or a goaltender boggles my mind.
Please list the free agent goaltenders who you're willing to throw $6.5M at.

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Please list the free agent goaltenders who you're willing to throw $6.5M at.
I know great goaltender just don't fall out of the sky, but in a year we could have thrown some money at Luongo, or sign Khabibulin, or we could spend that cap on a combination of a goaltender and a defenseman. What's most important is 6.5 millions can be spent addressing the team's desperate needs. When the cap goes down, he is the first player I want moved even though it will not happen. At this point, I'd trade him for Lehtonen, might not be fair, but Atlanta would do us a huge favor by accepting that cap hit.

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05-31-2009, 09:40 AM
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I am not sure if it is possible to trade Danny boy.

I would not mind Fisher plus a prospect and a pick for Briere type of trade.
Flyers get overpaid 3rd line center

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Briere for Hannan plus prospect or pick

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Briere to any team for prospects and picks to sign Jay-Bo.

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I know great goaltender just don't fall out of the sky, but in a year we could have thrown some money at Luongo, or sign Khabibulin, or we could spend that cap on a combination of a goaltender and a defenseman. What's most important is 6.5 millions can be spent addressing the team's desperate needs. When the cap goes down, he is the first player I want moved even though it will not happen. At this point, I'd trade him for Lehtonen, might not be fair, but Atlanta would do us a huge favor by accepting that cap hit.
Luongo is not a free agent.

Khabibulin is up there in age, you're looking at 2 years max for him.

Everything else you're talking about trades or splitting the money which DOESN'T get you a stud defenseman.

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I am not sure if it is possible to trade Danny boy.

I would not mind Fisher plus a prospect and a pick for Briere type of trade.
Flyers get overpaid 3rd line center

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Briere for Hannan plus prospect or pick

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Briere to any team for prospects and picks to sign Jay-Bo.
i worry about homer and jaybo. he can't help but overpay for free agents. if we can get bouwmeester for a decent cap hit, by all means, do so. but if he really thinks he can get up to 7 mil, i'd pass.

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i worry about homer and jaybo. he can't help but overpay for free agents. if we can get bouwmeester for a decent cap hit, by all means, do so. but if he really thinks he can get up to 7 mil, i'd pass.
Bouwmeester's rights will have to be traded for before July 1st. Ideally, that would save $500,000 to $1M that he'd get on the open market. But if we're in a bidding war, forget about it.

Either way, Homer will overpay because he's terrible with money. Briere has to be traded to even entertain the idea of acquiring Bouwmeester.

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Or into the stock market, where half of it will disappear . I've actually been wondering if these guys have lost a big chunk of money in that and might be kicking themselves for taking the front loaded deals. Hindsight is 20/20 obviously, but the frontloaded deals may have hurt some of these guys.
Some did. Scott Eyre got shafted by the non-Madoff Ponzi scheme that got found out after the fall...he was contemplating retirement.

However, the fact of the matter is that you'd always rather have money in hand. In this case, Briere is getting paid very well until the last two years of the deal (and then were talking 3M and 2M).

If you have all of that money tied up in the stock market...then that was a poor investment strategy in and of itself.

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Bouwmeester's rights will have to be traded for before July 1st. Ideally, that would save $500,000 to $1M that he'd get on the open market. But if we're in a bidding war, forget about it.
Bouwmeester isn't stupid. His agent already knows what his rights are worth and who will offer what, so there is no way he'll sign with a team that acquires his rights UNLESS they overpay, not underpay. There will be no pre-July 1 discount, for the Flyers or anyone else.

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I don't like either option of the poll.

I like Briere and I'd like him to remain a Flyer, if possible. There are other players that could be moved instead of Briere and I would prefer that the team exhausts those options first.

If it comes down to having to keep Briere over a select few Flyers, then that would be the point where I would finally look to asking him to waive his NMC.

I definitely do not want the Flyers to 'make it miserable' for Briere as a way to get him out of town. That's a bush league move.

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Trade him...He is a great on the PP but thats about all he brings to the table. He is more then a liability at even strength and the money could definitely be used elsewhere like a extension for Coburn when the time comes.

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06-01-2009, 12:18 AM
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I laid down this challenge in the other thread, but since this is the Danny thread, I'll do it here too.

Name me 3 incontrovertible reasons why Briere would ever waive his NMC.
If the team does not want him. He wont stick around. Life is too short. Philadelphia is not a Maui.

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If the team does not want him. He wont stick around. Life is too short. Philadelphia is not a Maui.
That's four reasons, he wanted three.

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Well, this is how I look at it, in 2 years we are going to have to resign Gagne, Carter, Giroux and Sbsia, along with some lesser players too. Even if the cap stays where it is there is no way we can resign them all so pick one and say goodbye. I honestly think it's going to be Gagne and if I can deal Briere to keep Gagne then I'd do that in a heartbeat. If the cap drops to 50 mil of below then we are in serious troubel. We most likely lose Lupul at the nedo f next season if the cap drops to 50 mil and I think he's going to hit 30g, 60 pts next year. If it drops to 50 mil then even after we let Lupul go we may lose another of those RFA's I listed that need signed in 2 years.

In a cap free world (or at least on that contined to escilate) we keep Briere as we are better offensively than without him. However, in the reality of the salary capped NHL we have to make some very tough choices and he's the one I choose to let go out of Gagne, Carter, Giroux, Sbisa, Coburn and Parent. That's how I look at this situation nd why I voted to ship him out.

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Again, give me solid reasons.

Boyle and Richards waived them because TB at that time was becoming a joke that obviously wasn't going to be contending any time soon.

In no way does that situation apply whatsoever to Briere.

Again, give me solid reasons why he would voluntarily waive it. Unless you think the organization forcing him to waive it would be a good idea.
You want a SOLID reason, All I need is ONE.

Flyers: "Danny, we love your service here but the cap is falling against next season to somewhere around 50 mil. There is no way we can afford to keep you. We'd love to do so but it just isn't happening. We'd like to do what we can for you so lets see if we can work out some viable locations. We have to find a team that can fit you under the cap first an formost and we understand that you want to go to a team that is competing for the cup. We'll see what we can do. How's that sound?"

Briere: "I understand. Let me go talk to my family and we'll see what we can work out. Thanks for being honest with me."



Do you honestly think that TBL signed Brad Richards to a 7.8 mil contract with the intentions of trading him 15 months later??? Hell no, but **** happens. Richards didn't WANT to leave TB or else he wouldn't have signed that big 7.8 mil deal. However he understood the situation and accepted the NEED to trade him. Briere will be no different. We did NOT sign him with the INTENTION of trading him but if circumstances arise that pretty much FORCE our hand then even though Briere may not like it, he'll at least understand it. There are at times mitigating circumstances that FORCE a team to do things that they really don't want to do but have no choice but to do it anyways. It's unfortunate and honestly both sides come away feeling bad and like they were cheated.

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Flyers: "Danny, we love your service here but the cap is falling against next season to somewhere around 50 mil. There is no way we can afford to keep you. We'd love to do so but it just isn't happening. We'd like to do what we can for you so lets see if we can work out some viable locations. We have to find a team that can fit you under the cap first an formost and we understand that you want to go to a team that is competing for the cup. We'll see what we can do. How's that sound?"

Briere: "I understand. Let me go talk to my family and we'll see what we can work out. Thanks for being honest with me."
All will take place under a perfectly cloudless sky with rainbows abound and everyone holding hands discussing America's incredibly strong economy.



I think it's possible he'd waive his NMC, but I doubt it happens this easy.

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i worry about homer and jaybo. he can't help but overpay for free agents. if we can get bouwmeester for a decent cap hit, by all means, do so. but if he really thinks he can get up to 7 mil, i'd pass.
25-26yo 6'4 220lbs d-men that averages 10 goals over 40pts a season on a crappy team 7M is not overpayment. Ideally I would love him 10 years at 6.5, thatís my off-season dream.

Jay will play for Toronto next season. I bet Burke is all over it.

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Ok ok ...6.5 is a big cap hit. If we can get a traditional 4 line team it will make his contract worth it because the 1st n 2nd lines should be getting the right play time.

Gagne-Richards-Briere
Hartnell-Carter-Giroux
Powe-Pahlsonn-Knuble
Carcillo-Kalinski-Asham

Those lines get it done, bar none.

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All will take place under a perfectly cloudless sky with rainbows abound and everyone holding hands discussing America's incredibly strong economy.

I think it's possible he'd waive his NMC, but I doubt it happens this easy.
Well, if it doesn't happen this easy, the next step is:

Homer: It's not up to me, the coaches have decided to juggle the lines and move you to 4RW. Meet your new linemates: Riley Cote and Darrell Powe.

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25-26yo 6'4 220lbs d-men that averages 10 goals over 40pts a season on a crappy team 7M is not overpayment. Ideally I would love him 10 years at 6.5, thatís my off-season dream.

Jay will play for Toronto next season. I bet Burke is all over it.
unless homer can somehow unload briere, we really cannot afford to sign bouwmeester to a lengthy contract. we already have a very condensed salary structure, focusing on a core of young players. would jbo look great added to that core? no doubt. but financially, i don't think it's feasible and homer has shown that he is at best negligent when it comes to doling out large contracts.

if homer could move briere AND sign jbo for 6.5, i'd be ecstatic.

Edit: whoops, didn't even see Dig's post. i pretty much just reiterated his post.

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unless homer can somehow unload briere, we really cannot afford to sign bouwmeester to a lengthy contract. we already have a very condensed salary structure, focusing on a core of young players. would jbo look great added to that core? no doubt. but financially, i don't think it's feasible and homer has shown that he is at best negligent when it comes to doling out large contracts.

if homer could move briere AND sign jbo for 6.5, i'd be ecstatic.

Edit: whoops, didn't even see Dig's post. i pretty much just reiterated his post.
Thats what I said in post #83

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