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05-30-2009, 07:11 PM
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I'll save it for the conspiracy theorists but rumor had it that the NHL was behind that trade and forced Edmonton to trade Gretzky in order to make hockey popular in the US...and it worked!
You just went off the ledge, again, on that one!


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C'mon Luc, you can do it. I mean dean!

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Its not like LA wanted Vinny! Its the fact that Tampa is SHOPPING him around. So maybe there is something wrong with him that we don't know.

For example if LA was brewing a trade for Kovi, I would love it. If you involve the same players that LA is giving up for Vinny and for Kovi. I'd pick Kovi. There is something fishy with Vinny being shopped. Especially after a bad season. This may bite LA HARD if it goes through.
From what I've heard Tocchet hates his guts. Also, you could be looking at a Tampa team with Stamkos, Hedman and probably the Kings #5 overall pick in the lineup next season. That's a pretty good turnaround in 1 season and you get guys in there the coach wants. My question for the CBA guys is is it against the rules for Tampa to send cash or pay for some of Vinny's salary like baseball does?

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I'll save it for the conspiracy theorists but rumor had it that the NHL was behind that trade and forced Edmonton to trade Gretzky in order to make hockey popular in the US...and it worked!
You should Google Peter Pocklington and read about him.

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05-30-2009, 11:25 PM
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My question for the CBA guys is is it against the rules for Tampa to send cash or pay for some of Vinny's salary like baseball does?
Yes, teams can No Longer do that.

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From what I've heard Tocchet hates his guts. Also, you could be looking at a Tampa team with Stamkos, Hedman and probably the Kings #5 overall pick in the lineup next season. That's a pretty good turnaround in 1 season and you get guys in there the coach wants. My question for the CBA guys is is it against the rules for Tampa to send cash or pay for some of Vinny's salary like baseball does?
From what I have heard Tocchet will bet you anything he doesn't hate his guts.

Stay away from this trade!!

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From what I've heard Tocchet hates his guts. Also, you could be looking at a Tampa team with Stamkos, Hedman and probably the Kings #5 overall pick in the lineup next season. That's a pretty good turnaround in 1 season and you get guys in there the coach wants. My question for the CBA guys is is it against the rules for Tampa to send cash or pay for some of Vinny's salary like baseball does?
i'm no CBA expert but I'm almost positive that you can't send cash as part of a trade. It was ok with the old CBA I think and I'm pretty sure the Capitals were paying part of Jagr's salary after he was traded to the Rangers but that deal was done before the new CBA.

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Am I the only one that thinks that Lecavalier's contract could potentially be moved in his 35+ years to a team like Nashville who would love to eat up $7m+ part of their salary CAP while only paying a few million in actual salary? Maybe it cost you a second round draft pick or something else but in the long run probably worth it. That of course assumes that he'll still be fairly productive in those years.

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05-31-2009, 12:36 AM
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Tocchet hating him is a little harsh but from lockerroom quotes from players and coaching staff seem to indicate that St.Louis is the real captain while Lecavalier wears the "C" because he is more popular with fans.

That does seem to be a theme with Lightning coaches though, Tortorella and Melrose both said some things about Lecavalier needing to be motivated every night.

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Am I the only one that thinks that Lecavalier's contract could potentially be moved in his 35+ years to a team like Nashville who would love to eat up $7m+ part of their salary CAP while only paying a few million in actual salary? Maybe it cost you a second round draft pick or something else but in the long run probably worth it. That of course assumes that he'll still be fairly productive in those years.
I have mentioned this on several occasions. The problem is that those against the trade do not want to acknowledge that having a cap hit that is higher than your actual salary can be an asset to a team struggling to make the salary floor while trying to keep monetary losses at a minimum.

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05-31-2009, 01:53 AM
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Tocchet does not "hate" Vinny.

Let's just say you won't be seeing a lot of French Canadians in prominent roles on a Rick Tocchet shaped team in the long run.

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05-31-2009, 01:56 AM
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When he's 35, it's going to be 2015-2016.

The cap will have rebounded and gone up considerably.

Please get over the cap issues as being the problem with acquiring Vinny. They aren't practical, and it continues to make you look absolutely inane and incapable of foresight.

If you want to argue the kind of player he is, fine. His leadership, fine. Whether or not a center is what the Kings need (you're wrong, but fine).

Stop acting like the cap hit is the big impetus, please.

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thank god it's a Eklund.

That means Vinny is going anywhere but the Kings.

It's not the cap hit what concerns me.

It is what the Lightnings are asking for............

And.... would you as a GM wonder about, if Lombardi offers now Kopitar to everyone????
Wouldn't you think about why ???

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When he's 35, it's going to be 2015-2016.

The cap will have rebounded and gone up considerably.

Please get over the cap issues as being the problem with acquiring Vinny. They aren't practical, and it continues to make you look absolutely inane and incapable of foresight.

If you want to argue the kind of player he is, fine. His leadership, fine. Whether or not a center is what the Kings need (you're wrong, but fine).

Stop acting like the cap hit is the big impetus, please.
in addition to that, there may be revisions made to the terms surrounding moving players/contracts in the new CBA.

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in addition to that, there may be revisions made to the terms surrounding moving players/contracts in the new CBA.
I find it fascinating that people are more comfortable making prognostications regarding the status of the Salary Cap in the 2015/2016 season than they are acknowledging that there may not BE a Salary Cap in the 2015/2016 season.

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I find it fascinating that people are more comfortable making prognostications regarding the status of the Salary Cap in the 2015/2016 season than they are acknowledging that there may not BE a Salary Cap in the 2015/2016 season.
I will go on record as saying the salary cap has been the best thing to happen to the NHL since the goalie mask......It isn't going anywhere.

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05-31-2009, 12:52 PM
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I can see it now.

We trade our #5. As it turns out, Kane would have fallen to us if we had kept the pick.

Squidward and I have a "mother ****er of all the **** luck" moment.

By December 2009, Kane is outscoring both Vinny and Kovy and is in the running for the scoring title during the season. DIEHARD cries in his O'Sullivan handkerchief.

Chazz makes all of us beer. We feel a little better and convince one another that everything will turn out ok. The enthusiasm returns because Vinny has been playing well as of late and the team is still having a decent season. The playoffs are well within reach.

Vinny then goes down with a season and possibly career ending injury when Calder, who we are pissed off is still a King, accidentally runs over Vinny's hand with a skate during practice.

The Kings finish third to last in the West.

Tony claims it was an improvement over last season and the future is bright. HF is in chaos. Everyone places everyone else on ignore. AEG has had enough. Dean is fired.

Leiweke announces Luc as the new GM with the speech, "Luc has been a winner his entire hockey career and was the face of this team during its most prominent seasons. We are proud to have him lead our Kings into the future and are confident he will restore the winning tradition of this franchise."

Many are stunned.

PSP finally puts himself out of his misery and becomes a Ducks fan. Neil buys him a beer.

DIEHARD threatens to set himself on fire outside of Staples Center during a Carolina v. Kings game. He has poured kerosene on himself and is holding a lighter. Chazz and I try to convince him not to do it but he keeps muttering "O'Sullivan would have wanted it this way". When we finally have him coming around, some young kid who has only been following the Kings for 10 years comes up to him and tells him to be more patient. His lower lip begins to quiver. He goes over the edge. BBQ DIEHARD.

Chazz and I go across the street to ESPN Zone to mourn the loss of our friend. We have an IPA in his honor.

We run into Squidward who is proudly wearing a Canes jersey.

Two seasons later, Frolov goes on to lift the Cup with the Red Wings and wins the Selke.


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Zad needs a monument built in his honor....seriously!

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I can see it now.

We trade our #5. As it turns out, Kane would have fallen to us if we had kept the pick.

Squidward and I have a "mother ****er of all the **** luck" moment.

By December 2009, Kane is outscoring both Vinny and Kovy and is in the running for the scoring title during the season. DIEHARD cries in his O'Sullivan handkerchief.

Chazz makes all of us beer. We feel a little better and convince one another that everything will turn out ok. The enthusiasm returns because Vinny has been playing well as of late and the team is still having a decent season. The playoffs are well within reach.

Vinny then goes down with a season and possibly career ending injury when Calder, who we are pissed off is still a King, accidentally runs over Vinny's hand with a skate during practice.

The Kings finish third to last in the West.

Tony claims it was an improvement over last season and the future is bright. HF is in chaos. Everyone places everyone else on ignore. AEG has had enough. Dean is fired.

Leiweke announces Luc as the new GM with the speech, "Luc has been a winner his entire hockey career and was the face of this team during its most prominent seasons. We are proud to have him lead our Kings into the future and are confident he will restore the winning tradition of this franchise."

Many are stunned.

PSP finally puts himself out of his misery and becomes a Ducks fan. Neil buys him a beer.

DIEHARD threatens to set himself on fire outside of Staples Center during a Carolina v. Kings game. He has poured kerosene on himself and is holding a lighter. Chazz and I try to convince him not to do it but he keeps muttering "O'Sullivan would have wanted it this way". When we finally have him coming around, some young kid who has only been following the Kings for 10 years comes up to him and tells him to be more patient. His lower lip begins to quiver. He goes over the edge. BBQ DIEHARD.

Chazz and I go across the street to ESPN Zone to mourn the loss of our friend. We have an IPA in his honor.

We run into Squidward who is proudly wearing a Canes jersey.

Two seasons later, Frolov goes on to lift the Cup with the Red Wings and wins the Selke.
I think this thread has just been won

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A dose of reality. This deal has potential long-term disaster written all over it. TB will have to pretty much give VL away to the Kings to unload that contract. Uncle Phil didn't get that rich handing out insane deals. Risk management -- not well understood here. This is not a knock on VL. However, his on ice value >>>>>>> his trade value. If this trade happens, TB will not be getting 5th overall, JJ or any other promising assets in return. Just Preissing, later rounds picks etc. TB has no leverage. Kings have safer ways to upgrade talent.

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I can see it now.

We trade our #5. As it turns out, Kane would have fallen to us if we had kept the pick.

Squidward and I have a "mother ****er of all the **** luck" moment.

By December 2009, Kane is outscoring both Vinny and Kovy and is in the running for the scoring title during the season. DIEHARD cries in his O'Sullivan handkerchief.

Chazz makes all of us beer. We feel a little better and convince one another that everything will turn out ok. The enthusiasm returns because Vinny has been playing well as of late and the team is still having a decent season. The playoffs are well within reach.

Vinny then goes down with a season and possibly career ending injury when Calder, who we are pissed off is still a King, accidentally runs over Vinny's hand with a skate during practice.

The Kings finish third to last in the West.

Tony claims it was an improvement over last season and the future is bright. HF is in chaos. Everyone places everyone else on ignore. AEG has had enough. Dean is fired.

Leiweke announces Luc as the new GM with the speech, "Luc has been a winner his entire hockey career and was the face of this team during its most prominent seasons. We are proud to have him lead our Kings into the future and are confident he will restore the winning tradition of this franchise."

Many are stunned.

PSP finally puts himself out of his misery and becomes a Ducks fan. Neil buys him a beer.

DIEHARD threatens to set himself on fire outside of Staples Center during a Carolina v. Kings game. He has poured kerosene on himself and is holding a lighter. Chazz and I try to convince him not to do it but he keeps muttering "O'Sullivan would have wanted it this way". When we finally have him coming around, some young kid who has only been following the Kings for 10 years comes up to him and tells him to be more patient. His lower lip begins to quiver. He goes over the edge. BBQ DIEHARD.

Chazz and I go across the street to ESPN Zone to mourn the loss of our friend. We have an IPA in his honor.

We run into Squidward who is proudly wearing a Canes jersey.

Two seasons later, Frolov goes on to lift the Cup with the Red Wings and wins the Selke.
Scatter my ashes in section 214!

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Evander Kane as the best player to come out of the draft? Surely you jest Zad.

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Evander Kane as the best player to come out of the draft? Surely you jest Zad.
He wasn't joking and don't call my friend Shirley!

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A dose of reality. This deal has potential long-term disaster written all over it. TB will have to pretty much give VL away to the Kings to unload that contract. Uncle Phil didn't get that rich handing out insane deals. Risk management -- not well understood here. This is not a knock on VL. However, his on ice value >>>>>>> his trade value. If this trade happens, TB will not be getting 5th overall, JJ or any other promising assets in return. Just Preissing, later rounds picks etc. TB has no leverage. Kings have safer ways to upgrade talent.
HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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I find it fascinating that people are more comfortable making prognostications regarding the status of the Salary Cap in the 2015/2016 season than they are acknowledging that there may not BE a Salary Cap in the 2015/2016 season.
You're retarded if you think the BOG will EVER capitulate on a Salary Cap now that it's in place. It's the only thing keeping some franchises competitive and their fan bases interested.

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