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05-30-2009, 04:59 PM
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I think only one person was choosing Frolov over Heatley. I agree to an extent. Not many players have great puck possesion and are good down low like Frolov is. But, he has yet to hit numbers like Heatley.

I think only people on this thread that are not giving the guy much props are Sen fans. Somebody mentioned the team needing a top Dman. So, someone else mentioned Jack Johnson and I don't think it's far fetch but ofcourse more would be coming from the Kings side besides a goaltender. Nobody said straight Heatley for the 5th pick and if they did, that's a bit sad.


Kings need LW's. Heatley would do great but that means on of our great players could be going back and that would be Frolov. I think there is other ways to go about things then just giving Fro up. But, if you want a guy back that can top 30 goals he would be your guy. But it seems the Sens need more deffense.
We wouldn't need Frolov back. I think I've got a good idea of who's untouchable on the Kings roster. Kopitar, Doughty and Brown. Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe a deal like:

To Ottawa

5th overall
Moller
JJ

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Heatley

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05-30-2009, 05:24 PM
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We wouldn't need Frolov back. I think I've got a good idea of who's untouchable on the Kings roster. Kopitar, Doughty and Brown. Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe a deal like:

To Ottawa

5th overall
Moller
JJ

To LA

Heatley
As a kings fan i think i could live with that

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I think working a deal around the 5th is a great start, but something must go the other way (with some salary)

Maybe something like this:


5th overall
Jack johnson
Jarett stoll
teddy purcell


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Heatley
mid level prospect or 2nd rounder
salary dump

this way ottawa will get a top 5 player to possibly replace heatley , gets a top pairing d-man, a great #2 center with playoff experience who kills on faceoffs, and a good prospect who can make something of himself

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05-30-2009, 06:40 PM
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i will keep saying this all the time Heatley's in a trade proposal...HES NOT LEAVING OTTAWA!! Unless we get a crazy sniper back to Ottawa with the name of Ovechkin

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05-30-2009, 06:43 PM
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We wouldn't need Frolov back. I think I've got a good idea of who's untouchable on the Kings roster. Kopitar, Doughty and Brown. Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe a deal like:

To Ottawa

5th overall
Moller
JJ

To LA

Heatley
I wouldn't trade Heatley but that's a pretty good deal.

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05-30-2009, 06:44 PM
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i will keep saying this all the time Heatley's in a trade proposal...HES NOT LEAVING OTTAWA!! Unless we get a crazy sniper back to Ottawa with the name of Ovechkin
If i was the Ott GM i would have the same feelings, he is what you want to keep, not what you want to use to "shake things up". I think same thing goes for Spezza, Ott would be crazy to let either of them go.

But s a kings fan if you guess want Heatley gone we will take him

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05-30-2009, 06:52 PM
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Scored 50 goals both years after the lockout, had 41 in 71 games the next year (that's a pace of 47), and his 39 last year is considered a down year because of how frequently he scores goals. Yeah, he's a 45-50 goal scorer, and he's what, 28?.
Pace or not, the fact is he scored 41 and not 47. I think scoring has gone down every year since the lockout, the first year being really high, so those 50's are somewhat inflated. But really, inflated or not, recent years are obviosly better for projections rather then further back years. And recent seasons say he's scored 41 and 39. He's 28 which means he's near the end of his prime (generally forwards prime's are around 25-29) so while he def still has a chance at 50 again, there's an even greater chance that he doesn't. So like I said, 40 is his new 50.

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Pace or not, the fact is he scored 41 and not 47. I think scoring has gone down every year since the lockout, the first year being really high, so those 50's are somewhat inflated. But really, inflated or not, recent years are obviosly better for projections rather then further back years. And recent seasons say he's scored 41 and 39. He's 28 which means he's near the end of his prime (generally forwards prime's are around 25-29) so while he def still has a chance at 50 again, there's an even greater chance that he doesn't. So like I said, 40 is his new 50.
HUH?

Dude scoring 39 goals is pretty freakin good, I dont remember the last time the kings had a 40g scorer. Be a kings fan for a year or two and you will like heatley

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05-30-2009, 06:58 PM
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We wouldn't need Frolov back. I think I've got a good idea of who's untouchable on the Kings roster. Kopitar, Doughty and Brown. Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe a deal like:

To Ottawa

5th overall
Moller
JJ

To LA

Heatley
I've got a good one..

To OTT:
Stoll
Hickey (puck moving defenseman that you guys lack)
Moller
5th overall

To LA:
Heatley
O'Brien

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05-30-2009, 06:59 PM
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I've got a good one..

To OTT:
Stoll
Hickey (puck moving defenseman that you guys lack)
Moller
5th overall

To LA:
Heatley
O'Brien
we have puck movers, we need a top pairing guy, and Hickey to me isnt that guy

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HUH?

Dude scoring 39 goals is pretty freakin good, I dont remember the last time the kings had a 40g scorer. Be a kings fan for a year or two and you will like heatley
I do like Heatley. And I know 40 goals is freaking spectacular. I'm not disputing any of that. The guy I was responding to said "We arent trying to get more forwards, since Heatley could just pot in 50 goals". And I was just saying how 40 goals to Heatley right now is what 50 was 2 seasons ago.

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isnt that nice, and i would take Heater over Frolov, especially since Frolov is getting the cash after next season.....
Fro will sign an extension for a hometown discount this summer. He more then should his dedication to the Kings over last summer by staying in LA, working out at Toyota Center & he elevated his game this season while playing through an injury the last month & a half of the season. He only took time off for the injury after the Kings fell out of contention to make the play offs.

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LA fans overvaluing their assets. What a surprise.

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LA fans overvaluing their assets. What a surprise
Exactly it's no surprise. So, why say something? Move along now.

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LA fans overvaluing their assets. What a surprise.
There may be a few Kings fans that over value the Kings' players (no different than the fans of any other team). However, the vast majority of the Kings fans on this site have their feet firmly planted on the ground.

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i'm not up for trading heatley at this point unless it is for one of those 'untouchables'. Trading heatley for the 5th and a package of good prospects (eg moller, JJ), while it may end up being a fair deal in the long run, would set Ottawa back in the short run, something that the fans and ownership of this team will simply not accept considering our playoff history. The only way i accept a trade of heatley is if it a) doesnt set us back in the short run or b) is obviously a huge win for us in the long run.

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Pace or not, the fact is he scored 41 and not 47.
You seem to have missed that 71 game part, so that's why pace was used. 41 goals in 71 games is the same as 47 in 82, so you can say he score 41, but that wouldn't have been the case if he played all the game. Everyone in Ottawa had down years offensively because Hartsburg's system was awful. I'm guessing Heatley will be back around 45 goals next year.

Only Ovechkin and Kovalchuk have scored more goals since the lockout.

Heatley's game isn't built around speed or power, it's about him getting into empty spaces and burying his chances, which is why he likely won't see much of a decline in his goal scoring in the near future, despite what your idea is of when a forwards prime ends.

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I think working a deal around the 5th is a great start, but something must go the other way (with some salary)

Maybe something like this:


5th overall
Jack johnson
Jarett stoll
teddy purcell


For
Heatley
mid level prospect or 2nd rounder
salary dump

this way Ottawa will get a top 5 player to possibly replace heatley , gets a top pairing d-man, a great #2 center with playoff experience who kills on faceoffs, and a good prospect who can make something of himself
Heatley is enough of a salary dump(not skill wise, it's a salary cap era) the Kings wouldn't have to take on anymore. If anything Ottawa would have to take some back on because the Kings can go after Gaborik or Hossa on the FA market without giving up anything & most likely not taking on a heavy contract do to the economy crisis.

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I haven't read anything here that would explain to me why we would want to trade one of the best goal scorers in this league for a bag of nothing.

A pick a prospect and a dissatisfied 'D' ? Wow, lets see where Heatley's value is after this season.

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Heatley doesnt have much value right now, 7.5M for 39 goals is bad.

Ottawa would be lucky to get the 5th for him. I dont even know if Kings fan would do something like Boyle + Preissing + pick for Heater.

Umm just wondering .. did you see the stats of every other player on the Sens organization last year.. considering.. 39 is very very good.. in an all out defensive system for three quarters of the year.. He's a 50 goal scorer and will be again.. it's just the way it is..

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I don't think Moller will go anywhere. If anyone, I think Frolov would be a part of this as well as Johnson. Doesn't Ottawa have two first round picks also? So swap the number 5 with the latter of Ottawa's picks and I think LA and Ottawa would pull this off.

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The kings need to add players without giving up solid roster playes. IF they make a deal I expect JJ(RFA) and prospects/picks to go the other way.

Something tells me DL will be very reluctant to part with the #5. Schenn screams DL kind of pick.

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I don't think Moller will go anywhere. If anyone, I think Frolov would be a part of this as well as Johnson. Doesn't Ottawa have two first round picks also? So swap the number 5 with the latter of Ottawa's picks and I think LA and Ottawa would pull this off.
I think ottawa gave that pick to the islanders in the mike comrie/ chris campoli deal... If they still had the pick, I think these two deals would have a pretty even deal on the table..

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The kings need to add players without giving up solid roster playes. IF they make a deal I expect JJ(RFA) and prospects/picks to go the other way.

Something tells me DL will be very reluctant to part with the #5. Schenn screams DL kind of pick.
If Lombardi was reluctant to trade the pick do you think the draft party would have been cancelled?

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To LA

Heatley

To Ottawa

Moller
JJ
5th overall


that is what i am getting from this thread?.... maybe La adds a salary dump

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